Utilization of the Packers WRs when Adams comes back....

[Joemailman]

As good as Davante Adams is now, he wasn't called the Fresno Fraud for nothing. I and a lot of others in here were really negative about him those early years.

Well, congratulations for being totally wrong.

People calling him the Fresno Fraud didn't know he was playing on a bad ankle in 2015. Or just didn't care.

[RashanGary]

Well, congratulations for being totally wrong.

People calling him the Fresno Fraud didn't know he was playing on a bad ankle in 2015. Or just didn't care.

Hopefully baconator proves everyone wrong too.

[Bretsky]

Hopefully baconator proves everyone wrong too.

I was thinking the same thing

[run pMc]

run pMc, I'll throw it back to you: how many teams do you see with a better overall corps of WRs - with Adams healthy, of course?

Playmakers? With Rodgers throwing, any or all of our WRs or RBs for that matter are playmakers. We're just 3 days out from that last game, and people are already denying what their lying eyes told them?

Atlanta can lose pretty consistently with a playmaker like Julio Jones. I can't even remember who Beckham plays for this season. Amari Cooper is special, but they're 4 and 3 with him playing at a high level. Meanwhile, we are 6-1 with a lot of tough games behind us using those guys who some say don't qualify as playmakers.

We have 5 excellent WRs plus Shepherd - who I still think will get to be a quality player - and St. Brown coming back next season. I say again, we really don't need a shot in the dark that might or might not turn out to be another Davante Adams, and we don't even need a lower rounder to take the place of one of the seven we have.

Kneejerk review ignoring the recent trades and assuming all players are healthy. Note: these aren't in any specific order within tiers.

Better WR's overall
KC- Hill, Watkins, Robinson
ATL - Julio, Ridley, until very recently Sanu
LAC - Allen, Williams, Benjamin
DAL - Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin
NE - Edelman, Dorsett, Meyers, until recently Gordon
LAR - Cooks, Woods, Kupp, etc.
HOU - Hopkins, Fuller, Coutee, Stills
NO - Thomas, Ginn, Smith/Harris (Taysom Hill is not a WR LOL)
CIN - Green (when healthy), Boyd, Ross, Erickson
MIN - Diggs, Theilen
TB - Godwin, Evans
ARI - Fitzgerald, Kirk, Isabella
PHI - DeSean, Agholor, Jeffery, Hollins
CLE - Landry, OBJ, Calloway, Higgins
JAC - Chark, Westbrook, Lee
TEN - Davis, Brown, Humphries

Maybe Better/Coin Toss
DET - Golladay, Amendola, Jones
NYG - Shepard, Tate, Latimer
CHI - Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, Patterson
NYJ - Anderson, Thomas, Crowder
DEN - Sutton, Hamilton, until recently Sanders
PIT - JuJu, Washington, Johnson, Moncrief
IND - Hilton, Funchess, Campbell
CAR - Samuel, Moore, Wright, Hogan

Worse than GB
MIA - Parker, Wilson, Hurns
SEA - Lockett, Metcalf, Brown, Moore
SF - Goodwin, Samuel, Pettis
WAS - McLaurin, Richardson, Quinn
OAK - Tyrell Williams, Trevor Davis
BUF - Brown, Beasley, until recently Zay Jones
BAL - Willie Snead, Hollywood Brown, Miles Boykin

[texaspackerbacker]

With all due respect, I disagree on all of them.

I see 5 or 6 top receivers who are probably as good or better than Adams, but not a one with the supporting cast that the Packers have.

The grass is NOT greener on the other side of the fence.

[RashanGary]

I try not to look at just WRs. I look at QB, OL, WRs, RBs and TEs

Packers are good

[run pMc]

I see 5 or 6 top receivers who are probably as good or better than Adams, but not a one with the supporting cast that the Packers have.

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I do agree that Adams is a very good receiver. I also think he skews the talent/production of the WR group considerably.
I also think you are overvaluing the GB WR's because they are the team you root for; that's a common bias to many fans. A good QB like Rodgers can make bad WR group look better than they are (and vice versa, ex: TEN or TB).

Just going off talent/production I would happily trade the GB WR group for the Rams. The starting trio of Cooks, Woods, and Kupp are IMO easily better than Adams, MVS, and Allison.

Again, you have your opinion and I have a different one. I would be curious to know what data or what facts you are basing it upon.

To Rashan's comment: I agree the other offensive players impact the passing offense overall. A.Jones has already surpassed his receiving totals from last year; some teams (e.g., SFran with Kittle) make heavy use of the TE in their offense.
I was limiting the comparison to WRs only as it relates to the OP and tex's comment that we shouldn't draft a WR at all because we have plenty of talent. Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

[beveaux1]

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I do agree that Adams is a very good receiver. I also think he skews the talent/production of the WR group considerably.
I also think you are overvaluing the GB WR's because they are the team you root for; that's a common bias to many fans. A good QB like Rodgers can make bad WR group look better than they are (and vice versa, ex: TEN or TB).

Just going off talent/production I would happily trade the GB WR group for the Rams. The starting trio of Cooks, Woods, and Kupp are IMO easily better than Adams, MVS, and Allison.

Again, you have your opinion and I have a different one. I would be curious to know what data or what facts you are basing it upon.

To Rashan's comment: I agree the other offensive players impact the passing offense overall. A.Jones has already surpassed his receiving totals from last year; some teams (e.g., SFran with Kittle) make heavy use of the TE in their offense.
I was limiting the comparison to WRs only as it relates to the OP and tex's comment that we shouldn't draft a WR at all because we have plenty of talent. Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

I agree with your very diplomatic assessment. I also appreciate the work you did in running down the WR corps of all the teams. I'd take it a little further by saying that our #2-#6 WRs may not be better, at this point, than maybe 5 of the teams on your list.
We have nearly a half a season of statistics to show that MVS is averaging 3 catches a game, Allison is averaging 2.5 catches a game, and no one else has an average of more than 1 catch a game.
Kumerow is roughly the same age as Cobb, he's not ascending. Allison is in his 4th season-he is what he is, below average as a #3 starter in the league.

I agree with RG that we have a good team, but with 6 of our last 9 on the road, I hope that the WR group is not what keeps us from being among the elite in the league.

[mraynrand]

Kneejerk review ignoring the recent trades and assuming all players are healthy. Note: these aren't in any specific order within tiers.

Better WR's overall
KC- Hill, Watkins, Robinson
ATL - Julio, Ridley, until very recently Sanu
LAC - Allen, Williams, Benjamin
DAL - Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin
NE - Edelman, Dorsett, Meyers, until recently Gordon
LAR - Cooks, Woods, Kupp, etc.
HOU - Hopkins, Fuller, Coutee, Stills
NO - Thomas, Ginn, Smith/Harris (Taysom Hill is not a WR LOL)
CIN - Green (when healthy), Boyd, Ross, Erickson
MIN - Diggs, Theilen
TB - Godwin, Evans
ARI - Fitzgerald, Kirk, Isabella
PHI - DeSean, Agholor, Jeffery, Hollins
CLE - Landry, OBJ, Calloway, Higgins
JAC - Chark, Westbrook, Lee
TEN - Davis, Brown, Humphries

Bolded I would not trade for GB's receivers.

The QB effect really makes it hard to evaluate the Receivers. I think Rodgers with Cleveland's receivers would be devastating.

[bobblehead]

My theory is that MVS is an unusual talent in that he’s got mega stengths and mega weaknesses. Lazard is similar on that he’s got mega strengths and mega weaknesses. The cool thing is those two guys have opposite strengths and opposite weaknesses. With a little creative coaching to put guys in the right situations, I think we’re ok this year.

I’d like another Davante though. I’m down for getting better in any area.

I think you are right at the moment, but i think MVS has shown a desire to work hard to be better. He can do anything Lazard can do long term. Right now though, I think you are correct.

[bobblehead]

run pMc, I'll throw it back to you: how many teams do you see with a better overall corps of WRs - with Adams healthy, of course?

Playmakers? With Rodgers throwing, any or all of our WRs or RBs for that matter are playmakers. We're just 3 days out from that last game, and people are already denying what their lying eyes told them?

Atlanta can lose pretty consistently with a playmaker like Julio Jones. I can't even remember who Beckham plays for this season. Amari Cooper is special, but they're 4 and 3 with him playing at a high level. Meanwhile, we are 6-1 with a lot of tough games behind us using those guys who some say don't qualify as playmakers.

We have 5 excellent WRs plus Shepherd - who I still think will get to be a quality player - and St. Brown coming back next season. I say again, we really don't need a shot in the dark that might or might not turn out to be another Davante Adams, and we don't even need a lower rounder to take the place of one of the seven we have.

You are right and wrong at the same time. We have average to below average WRs and a HOF QB. Thats ok as long as they do the basics and catch the ball. Giannis doesn't need LeBron, he needs a bunch of stiffs who drain the open 3.

[bobblehead]

I try not to look at just WRs. I look at QB, OL, WRs, RBs and TEs

Packers are good

C or Si...Yes. We can use more weapons, but Championships are built on Great QB's and Defense. Our OL is very good now. Our RB and WR are good enough. Our TE are suspect.

[RashanGary]

Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

I see this too. I don’t see either as complete WRs like Davante who can do it all. But I’ve said a bunch, I do think MVS and Lazard have strengths that good coaching can accentuate. Similar to the way the Patriots found a way to get success from tiny, slowish WRs in the slot, by accentuating their intelligence, route running and hands in traffic. Those guys will never be Davante, but they’re not asked to be. Same with MVS. He’s an elite deep threat. Use him that way. Lazard looks really good in traffic. Use him that way.

I’m not fawning over MVS or Lazard like they’re the next Jerry Rice or Randy Moss, but they’ve got strengths we can use. So Adams, MVS, Lazard.... with a good QB, RB, OL.... I think we’re ok right now.

[RashanGary]

I think you are right at the moment, but i think MVS has shown a desire to work hard to be better. He can do anything Lazard can do long term. Right now though, I think you are correct.

Harvey has a reputation for having good observation skills here. He said MVS bad horrible ball skills and that doesn’t get better. In traffic, he’s been bad. I agree. So I do wonder if MVS is limited that way. But I don’t think Harv is giving MVS enough credit on the deep balls. That’s opening up our offense. It’s a valuable one trick to have in this offense where no one else has it.

[texaspackerbacker]

Fair enough, that's your opinion. I do agree that Adams is a very good receiver. I also think he skews the talent/production of the WR group considerably.
I also think you are overvaluing the GB WR's because they are the team you root for; that's a common bias to many fans. A good QB like Rodgers can make bad WR group look better than they are (and vice versa, ex: TEN or TB).

Just going off talent/production I would happily trade the GB WR group for the Rams. The starting trio of Cooks, Woods, and Kupp are IMO easily better than Adams, MVS, and Allison.

Again, you have your opinion and I have a different one. I would be curious to know what data or what facts you are basing it upon.

To Rashan's comment: I agree the other offensive players impact the passing offense overall. A.Jones has already surpassed his receiving totals from last year; some teams (e.g., SFran with Kittle) make heavy use of the TE in their offense.
I was limiting the comparison to WRs only as it relates to the OP and tex's comment that we shouldn't draft a WR at all because we have plenty of talent. Maybe MVS and Lazard pan out; there's a lot of football left this year. I think Allison and Kumerow have basically hit their ceilings and are replaceable with players with more talent/upside as your #3/#4 WR.

I agree although in a different way that Adams "skews the talent/production of the WR group". The fact that last year and to a lesser extent before his injury this year Adams got the bulk of the targets and receptions diminished the performance and perceived value of the rest of the receivers. As was shown last week, given the opportunity, all of those guys are pretty damn good. I don't buy the lack of respect for Allison and Kumerow. Allison is no superstar, but he is very decent. Kumerow has been well above average in the few chances he's had - regular and preseason. And they're probably just the 4th and 5th best we have. Cooks, Woods, and Kupp? Who of them comes close to the quality of Adams? Cooks? No way. Kupp is similar - and IMO not significantly better than the much maligned Allison. Robert Woods doesn't stack up good against Valdez-Scantling or Lazard or even Kumerow. Maybe compare him to Ryan Grant hahahahaha.