The stats are clear, the extended passing play is dead in GB

[RashanGary]

That makes zero fucking sense.

How does 11 guys playing together vs one guy going crazy and trying to be the hero not make sense

[RashanGary]

The story about the Seattle defense getting fed up with Rus is similar

[3irty1]

I think Favre knew most of the time what he was going to do before the snap and was just really good at executing it. No reads or progression much of the time, instead committing ahead of time and putting on the whole performance to make sure his guy gets kinda open by the time the ball is there. Move my eyes over here, then over here, pump fake over here, then LASERBEAM. Compared to AR he had little consideration for what the defense is doing because it didn't matter for his style of play.

[Deputy Nutz]

Favre liked being a hero. Rodgers is playing a team game right now. Jones, the OL and all 11 blockers feel empowered and ready to rip. 11 fired up is better than Favre.

11 blockers? And you ask me how it makes zero sense?


Whether or not Favre liked playing the hero or not is irrelevant. Rodgers doesn't like to be the hero? Come on, I am petty but at least I try to use some validity in making my points.

If Rodgers was truly playing a team game right now would there be a half dozen threads about his average play right now? He is playing average so his team does better? That makes zero sense.

3irty1
I think Favre knew most of the time what he was going to do before the snap and was just really good at executing it. No reads or progression much of the time, instead committing ahead of time and putting on the whole performance to make sure his guy gets kinda open by the time the ball is there. Move my eyes over here, then over here, pump fake over here, then LASERBEAM. Compared to AR he had little consideration for what the defense is doing because it didn't matter for his style of play.

I think he knew how to read a defense pre snap, something that he painstakingly learned under Holmgren. I disagree somewhat with your broad brush strokes here, as Favre completed a lot of passes with dump off to backs and tight ends. I think Favre enjoyed the image of a country bumpkin when it came to his knowledge of the game and would rather let defenses think he had no idea what they were doing.

[pbmax]

I think Favre knew most of the time what he was going to do before the snap and was just really good at executing it. No reads or progression much of the time, instead committing ahead of time and putting on the whole performance to make sure his guy gets kinda open by the time the ball is there. Move my eyes over here, then over here, pump fake over here, then LASERBEAM. Compared to AR he had little consideration for what the defense is doing because it didn't matter for his style of play.

This was a feature especially when he got older and was eager to avoid more hits. That ill fated pass to Driver near the end of the Giants playoff game is a perfect example. He could still be a stubborn mule when motivated as seen in the beating he took in New Orleans in that playoff game in 2009 (and I am not sure he was for all of 2007).

Rodgers is waiting for the offense of his youth to return as well. But rather than fire early hoping for the same read from the WR, he waits and waits. Or he escapes and throws a late checkdown, deep or away.

Its like a live action study of people being stubborn because everyone around them is younger.

I see this at work too. People who think they have all the answers because it was figured out 5 years ago, but no one is listening to them. Gets ugly sometimes.

[Zool]

11 blockers? And you ask me how it makes zero sense?


Whether or not Favre liked playing the hero or not is irrelevant. Rodgers doesn't like to be the hero? Come on, I am petty but at least I try to use some validity in making my points.

If Rodgers was truly playing a team game right now would there be a half dozen threads about his average play right now? He is playing average so his team does better? That makes zero sense.



I think he knew how to read a defense pre snap, something that he painstakingly learned under Holmgren. I disagree somewhat with your broad brush strokes here, as Favre completed a lot of passes with dump off to backs and tight ends. I think Favre enjoyed the image of a country bumpkin when it came to his knowledge of the game and would rather let defenses think he had no idea what they were doing.

You take the RB and the QB out of the play, and you have 11 left. 5 lineman, 2 TE and 4 WR. The math is easy. It's those 7 WR formations that must be a bitch to defend.

[Bretsky]

So I'm listing to ESPN 1070 and they are interesting one of the analytical guys at Pro Football Focus. I could not stand the guy but anyways here is what he said.

Russ Wilson was the best deep ball thrower in the NFL. AROD was in the middle of the Pack. He was comparing the QB's as well and considered AROD mid tier and went as far as noting (THIS WAS INSANE) that he rates Kirk Cousins higher than Rodgers

He doesn't think Wilson and Rodgers are close

[pbmax]

So I'm listing to ESPN 1070 and they are interesting one of the analytical guys at Pro Football Focus. I could not stand the guy but anyways here is what he said.

Russ Wilson was the best deep ball thrower in the NFL. AROD was in the middle of the Pack. He was comparing the QB's as well and considered AROD mid tier and went as far as noting (THIS WAS INSANE) that he rates Kirk Cousins higher than Rodgers

He doesn't think Wilson and Rodgers are close

Wait. I am getting serious deja vu.

Did we have this same discussion about Rodgers and another QB who was supposed to have passed him just a few years ago? And for a playoff matchup?

Matt Ryan? Russell Wilson? I swear you made the same post, possibly listening to Sirius NFL or similar.

[Packers4Glory]

Just proves what the eyes should be telling you. Especially the past 2 years. Really been noticeable post Jordy. it coincides with the crazy high throw aways. Is what Happened when you don’t draft any talent at WR & rely on inexperienced late or undrafted players who are not suited to be 4’s in most teams. Lazard has promise as a #3.

Allison is trash.
MVS is a project.

Both log extensive time & do next to nothing.

The TE position is trash. Not keeping Cook was a monumental mistake. Rodgers has missed his fair share of open guys but this corp is not good. Any number of WR in this draft could have helped big time but we drafted Gary...

[pbmax]

Just proves what the eyes should be telling you. Especially the past 2 years. Really been noticeable post Jordy. it coincides with the crazy high throw aways. Is what Happened when you don’t draft any talent at WR & rely on inexperienced late or undrafted players who are not suited to be 4’s in most teams. Lazard has promise.

Allison is trash.
MVS is a project.

Both log extensive time & do next to nothing.

The somewhat inevitable result of too many D focused drafts. Though as many have said, Rodgers could adjust a little more.

[Bretsky]

The story about the Seattle defense getting fed up with Rus is similar

I may have missed this; where was that story ?

[Bretsky]

The somewhat inevitable result of too many D focused drafts. Though as many have said, Rodgers could adjust a little more.

Hmm; if they stopped drafting busts on defense they might be able to go offense some year

Next year it's going to be offense by Need I think

[Bretsky]

Wait. I am getting serious deja vu.

Did we have this same discussion about Rodgers and another QB who was supposed to have passed him just a few years ago? And for a playoff matchup?

Matt Ryan? Russell Wilson? I swear you made the same post, possibly listening to Sirius NFL or similar.

I don't recall the Matt Ryan thing; I've never been a huge fan of Ryan because he's ruined my fantasy teams in NY a few years ago.

[Bretsky]

The one trait Lazard has that Rodgers trusts (not the only one) is that he gets contested throws. MVS waits for the ball to fall into his hands. Also a problem with earth-bound Graham.

Wanna watch a guy who goes up and gets the free ball at the top of his extension ? Ceephus is your guy

[Bretsky]

Different offense. Rodgers has evolved into a better field general and less of a gun slinger

I like this offense

I do too; but Rodgers is no longer our best offense player. I don't understand why he doesn't take the short routes more but I'm hopeful that he'll eventually start in this offense. One might argue a field general is kinda like a game manager. He'd be way better than that if his long ball percentage and accuracy was better. But we don't get the picks; and that is a huge plus