Preparing the Packers for the 2020 Season.

[RashanGary]

The positives of Gary is that hes big, fast, strong and tries really hard. He really wants to succeed .

The downside is that he's stunted mentally . Especially spacially. Thats hard to overcome in football, even if you are bigger faster stronger and try harder. At some point you have to understand basic angles

[Deputy Nutz]

I know you are trying to be funny, but you do know that the word "retarded" fell out of favor as a medical diagnoses decades ago. I have no issue with the use of the word "retard" as a simile for the word "stupid", or "dumb". Some people are very offended by the word "retard" because it was used as a diagnoses years ago and people with Intellectual disabilities were then referred to as "retards" or they are "retarded". It became a very negative word and a hurtful word to people with disabilities both intellectual and physical.

Obvious Rashan Gary is not "intellectually disabled" or as you refer to him as "clinically retarded". He has more physical gifts than you could ever imagine. He struggled this year with adapting to the NFL game and the correct angles he needed to take to get the QB. I would think with his abilities he could figure it out, but he will need the reps to start building his muscle memory. Of the first round pass rushers he was probably at the low end of meaningful snaps in the 2019 season. The Packers didn't need him to play 50 snaps a game. The most snaps he ever got in a game was 22, the lowest was 3 in the NFC Championship game.

[RashanGary]

Zadarius has such a feel for space, he stutter steps one way, then does a bull fighter ole the other way while the OL attacks air. Straight three step route to the QB.

Guys like kuekly and Darrius Leanard understand their gap so well, rather than shooting straight to it, they bait the RB into thinking it's open by hiding behind the DL while flowing and then they appear in the Gap at the last second and destroy the RB. They hide and flow and know where they're going the whole.time.

Gary is the opposite. I guarantee the average 6 year old would out wit Gary in a spacial test.

I'm 5'10 and 200 pounds. Fairly athletic even at 38 years. I could block Gary on a lot of plays because he literally doesn't understand the basic concept that he's bigger than me and he would try to run 7 yards around me. He blocks himself with stupidity

[RashanGary]

Nutz, there is no polite way to say it. He is touched.

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm 5'10 and 200 pounds. Fairly athletic even at 38 years. I could block Gary on a lot of plays because he literally doesn't understand the basic concept that he's bigger than me and he would try to run 7 yards around me. He blocks himself with stupidity

He would fuck you up 100 times out of 100 times. You now have zero validation on any of this if you actually think you could come even remotely close to blocking a 6'5" 265lb man that can run a 4.5 forty.

[run pMc]

Gary is mostly bull rush right now, which is likely why you hear some think he should put on 10 pounds and rush inside -- to push the pocket. I think OLB is new to him and he's learning it and the pro game. Learning it from Holy Fackarolly and the Smiths isn't a bad way to do it your frosh year. I think the Year 2 leap will be important, but I also wonder if he's such a project that it will actually take until Year 3. Either way, you do NOT trade your #12 pick away after their rookie season. You're selling low before you even know what you have (he's not a finished product, and rookies rarely dominate).

[run pMc]

He would fuck you up 100 times out of 100 times. You now have zero validation on any of this if you actually think you could come even remotely close to blocking a 6'5" 265lb man that can run a 4.5 forty.

You forgot to mention he benched 225 26 times in a row at the combine with an iffy shoulder. Pretty sure he could ragdoll and throw most of us like Chewbacca throws a droid.

[Patler]

If Gary was as unsuccessful as some of you suggest, how do you explain the fact that near or at the end of the year he had averaged a QB pressure in less than every 10 snaps? This was better than anyone in 2018, including Fackrell, who had 10 sacks.

Per Cheesehead TV:

By the time the Packers had played their 10th game of the season, Gary had nine total pressures, six solo tackles, and a sack. Certainly not eye-popping numbers by any means but he was making progress. According to Pro Football Focus, from week 6 to week 10, Gary was the Packers' most improved defensive player as his overall grade jumped 27.3 points during that span.
From his knowledge of the defense to his overall technique, Gary was making strides in the right direction and eventually the production was going to follow. And it looks like over the last three weeks, we are at that point.
Against Washington, Chicago, and Minnesota, Gary has recorded five total pressures, with one sack and eight total tackles, two of which have been for a loss. He also put together the best game of his short career when facing the Bears as he totaled three tackles, one of which was for a loss, along with a sack. Oh, and did I mention that he did all of that with just 46 total defensive snaps over the last three games? Both as a pass-rusher and as a run defender, Gary is getting better at just the right time for this Green Bay Packers team.

Extrapolating from those 46 snaps the final 3 games to a season's snaps as a starter/regular you get some pretty good numbers.

I don't think this year really answered any questions about Gary. The Packers didn't use Gary because they didn't have to. They had a luxury teams don't always get with first round draft picks.

[RashanGary]

I like some of the worst players who've ever played in Green Bay because I dont value human beings based on how they play football or on if they understand basic concepts that apply to football. I'm horrible at some things, like I could snap and kill someone of I feel threatened or whatever. People can label me however they want. Psycho, bad, dangerous, whatever. So when I see someone who's lacking in an area, I lack in areas too. It just is what it is.

[RashanGary]

He would fuck you up 100 times out of 100 times. You now have zero validation on any of this if you actually think you could come even remotely close to blocking a 6'5" 265lb man that can run a 4.5 forty.

They could tell Gary before the play, "if that guy is blocking you, throw him into the QB" and he'd still, half of the time try to run 7 yards around me. That's just who he is

[gbgary]

He wasn't able to adequately cover the top receivers of most teams this past season - he seemed to regress from the year before.

i don't recall alexander being half the problem king was. a slip here and there taken away and he's our shut down guy. think about all the sacks we got this year too. how many of those were due to the qb having to hold the ball a tick or two longer due to coverage?

[Radagast]

You forgot to mention he benched 225 26 times in a row at the combine with an iffy shoulder. Pretty sure he could ragdoll and throw most of us like Chewbacca throws a droid.

Sounds like a WWF Superstar rather than an NFL player. Gary the Chewbacca Warrier? LOL

[Zool]

I'm 5'10 and 200 pounds. Fairly athletic even at 38 years. I could block Gary on a lot of plays because he literally doesn't understand the basic concept that he's bigger than me and he would try to run 7 yards around me. He blocks himself with stupidity

Nope

Go to the 42 second mark of the below video. He engages a TE and moves him backwards 4 feet on contact. That's the closest I've found to him hitting someone close to your size. He's 6'3" and 240. This guy practices football and lifts weights daily. He hits tackles and they go backwards at 300+ pounds.

This would be you

[pbmax]

I would feel better about any diagnosis offered if the Doctor knew it was spelled “spatial” or “spatially”.

Spacial might put you between the Earth and Moon though.

[Bretsky]

If Gary was as unsuccessful as some of you suggest, how do you explain the fact that near or at the end of the year he had averaged a QB pressure in less than every 10 snaps? This was better than anyone in 2018, including Fackrell, who had 10 sacks.

Per Cheesehead TV:


Extrapolating from those 46 snaps the final 3 games to a season's snaps as a starter/regular you get some pretty good numbers.

I don't think this year really answered any questions about Gary. The Packers didn't use Gary because they didn't have to. They had a luxury teams don't always get with first round draft picks.

To me there are some easy responses. He was playing a lot of garbage time snaps, some against backups when the games are over. But with that being said, I saw flashes of little. Want to see an EDGE Rookie ? Watch film on Brian Burns. Remember a Packer coach noted he thought he was the best ED

To me, what is more telling, why did the coaching staff have so little confidence in him to play him so minimal. If he was a playmaker....they would have found spots for him to play on the key downs. Kyle Bloody Fackrell's snap count does not crush his. I don't care about the Smith brothers. If Gary was dominant all three of them would have been on the field nearly every pass down.

And If we drafted him as a luxury (which I clearly do not believe we did), then that was just plain stupid.

We have a shitload of needs on this team that we failed to address last year.

IF we could just have a do ever we could have used that pick to fill one of many