Preparing the Packers for the 2020 Season.

[pbmax]

I agree that his pressure rate is a positive indication.

But his usage rate is a negative. Coaches don’t trust something.

[George Cumby]

I agree that his pressure rate is a positive indication.

But his usage rate is a negative. Coaches don’t trust something.

His spacious awhereness.

[hoosier]

I agree that his pressure rate is a positive indication.

But his usage rate is a negative. Coaches don’t trust something.

Obviously his lack of spacial awareness is preventing him from becoming spetial--you know, a difference maker.

[Deputy Nutz]

To me there are some easy responses. He was playing a lot of garbage time snaps, some against backups when the games are over. But with that being said, I saw flashes of little. Want to see an EDGE Rookie ? Watch film on Brian Burns. Remember a Packer coach noted he thought he was the best ED

To me, what is more telling, why did the coaching staff have so little confidence in him to play him so minimal. If he was a playmaker....they would have found spots for him to play on the key downs. Kyle Bloody Fackrell's snap count does not crush his. I don't care about the Smith brothers. If Gary was dominant all three of them would have been on the field nearly every pass down.

And If we drafted him as a luxury (which I clearly do not believe we did), then that was just plain stupid.

We have a shitload of needs on this team that we failed to address last year.

IF we could just have a do ever we could have used that pick to fill one of many

Why are you so angry? Did you expect 3 tech/5 tech defensive lineman to just morph into a dominant outside linebacker? The Packers possibly stunted his growth this season sitting him behind the Smiths. You are complaining like the Packers are in a rebuild mode, when they ended the season in the NFC Championship Game. I recognize they could have drafted a receiver at 12. They didn't because they had over estimated the year two production from MVS, and the expected growth of some of the other younger receivers. Through all the draft prep I did, I never had the Packers taking a receiver with the 12 pick. I was aiming at edge rusher and inside linebacker with the 12th pick, and then possibly receiver, safety, or tackle with the 29th pick.

Now to really try to grasp why Gary didn't play as many snaps as he probably should have considering his athleticism and where he was drafted. Like most rookies he might have really struggled with the scheme along with the position change. The second reason is he had veterans a head of him. Say what you will about Frackrell but he had 10.5 sacks just a year ago. The Smiths where high profile talent that was brought in and they didn't disappoint. The last thing I can think of, is although he was healthy enough to play, a possible injury might have slowed his progress.

Regardless, Bretsky doesn't have to be so damn angry all the time, and finally Gary should be judged on his 3 year progression. I will have serious question marks if he is still only receiving 15% of the snaps in 2021. Either it's coaching, or Gute missed badly, and should be held accountable, but like a good GM he protected himself at the position by drafting high, and going after free agents.

[esoxx]

His spacious awhereness.

This is a specious argument.

[George Cumby]

This is a specious argument.

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[Bretsky]

Why are you so angry? Did you expect 3 tech/5 tech defensive lineman to just morph into a dominant outside linebacker?

Now to really try to grasp why Gary didn't play as many snaps as he probably should have considering his athleticism and where he was drafted. Like most rookies he might have really struggled with the scheme along with the position change. The second reason is he had veterans a head of him. Say what you will about Frackrell but he had 10.5 sacks just a year ago. The Smiths where high profile talent that was brought in and they didn't disappoint. The last thing I can think of, is although he was healthy enough to play, a possible injury might have slowed his progress.

Regardless, Bretsky doesn't have to be so damn angry all the time, and finally Gary should be judged on his 3 year progression. I will have serious question marks if he is still only receiving 15% of the snaps in 2021. Either it's coaching, or Gute missed badly, and should be held accountable, but like a good GM he protected himself at the position by drafting high, and going after free agents.

ANGRY ? I'm STILL ANGRY that some asshat came into a gas station screaming GO BEARS after they just upset up out our infamous Packerrat Outing. That Asshat will not be named, but he should be forever condemned to ridicule. And maybe I'm ornery cause I'm all doped up from a knee replacement surgery 7 days ago.

So maybe you are right, maybe wrong. Playing the injury card...the lack of experience...the Smith brothers.....MAN....what an apologist. If you love Tarzan and loved him as a player at Michigan just say so. But I don't think you are saying that. And it's a good thing we don't babytreat the other producing draft picks like we do Gary. Because if we had to wait three ears for production from our better picks last year, we'd have been in deep shit. Pl.S. I'd want you as my NFL GM.


Cheers,
Bretsky

[pbmax]

Knee replacement surgery?

I remember when we were all young.

Well, most of us were.

Hope it goes well B. Get off those pain meds soon.

[Bossman641]

Guys giving up on Gary are probably the same guys who gave up on Nick Collins or Davante Adams. If he doesn't show progression next year sure? But to knock him for not getting more snaps on a team that spent huge money on two Olb's is insane.

[Radagast]

Using an honest and fair evaluation of the 2019/20 Packers should lead to a better 2020/21 Packer team.

Let's start with the 13 - 3 regular season Packer record. We all celebrated the wins, but few were dominating victories. I don't like to say they won ugly, but few style points were earned over the season. In fact, had KC's QB Mahomes played, the result could have been very different. With the exception of D. Adams, the WRs and TEs were unreliable. They caused Rodgers to have to scramble too often. Too much blame has been put on Coaches and Rodgers, when pass protection fell short. The bright star on offense was Aaron Jones.

The Packer Defense was a great improvement over the previous season. IMO, the weakest link was ILB. Martinez is just one player and can't do it all by himself. GB needs to trade for or acquire an ILB that can not just start , but Star on day one. Otherwise I feel that next season will see a more experienced GB defense.

GB's greatest needs are WR,ORT, and ILB. Correct these positions and GB will look and be a better team.

Blake Martinez needs a new contract, give him a good one.

I would not mind it if GB were to trade up in the next draft to get a great WR or OT.

[pbmax]

We all celebrated the wins, but few were dominating victories. I don't like to say they won ugly, but few style points were earned over the season. In fact, had KC's QB Mahomes played, the result could have been very different. .

Advanced analytics indicate that if Mahomes played versus the Packers, the chances greatly increase for the Packers to be 12-4 rather than 13-3.

[pbmax]

Guys giving up on Gary are probably the same guys who gave up on Nick Collins or Davante Adams. If he doesn't show progression next year sure? But to knock him for not getting more snaps on a team that spent huge money on two Olb's is insane.

Or Greg Jennings (Chad Jackson!).

This is known as the Brian Williams rule to me.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Or Greg Jennings (Chad Jackson!).

This is known as the Brian Williams rule to me.

Why you gotta bring him into this?

[Deputy Nutz]

ANGRY ? I'm STILL ANGRY that some asshat came into a gas station screaming GO BEARS after they just upset up out our infamous Packerrat Outing. That Asshat will not be named, but he should be forever condemned to ridicule. And maybe I'm ornery cause I'm all doped up from a knee replacement surgery 7 days ago.

So maybe you are right, maybe wrong. Playing the injury card...the lack of experience...the Smith brothers.....MAN....what an apologist. If you love Tarzan and loved him as a player at Michigan just say so. But I don't think you are saying that. And it's a good thing we don't babytreat the other producing draft picks like we do Gary. Because if we had to wait three ears for production from our better picks last year, we'd have been in deep shit. Pl.S. I'd want you as my NFL GM.


Cheers,
Bretsky

I have always been indifferent to the Gary pick. The lack of production in college compared to his freak athletic ability has had me stumped. But when I look at film of him in college he always seems to do the right things with his technique and his awareness on the field. He just didn't make many plays. It wasn't a effort thing. I think this might have been an interesting year for his development as for the past 7 years of high school and college football he had the spotlight on him as the number one player in the country. It might have been nice for him to work at his craft in the darkness for once. I will be very aware and interested in his career going forward.

[George Cumby]

Advanced analytics indicate that if Mahomes played versus the Packers, the chances greatly increase for the Packers to be 12-4 rather than 13-3.

lol