Official CBA Thread

[ThunderDan]

three weeks - at $400/hour

Good luck finding a labor lawyer for $400/hour.

In Madison we are paying $525/hour in New York or LA it is got to be $1,000/hour to talk to the secretary.

[mraynrand]

Good luck finding a labor lawyer for $400/hour.

In Madison we are paying $525/hour in New York or LA it is got to be $1,000/hour to talk to the secretary.

lol. Yeah I was gonna got back and change it but then who really cares? If I need a lawyer, I’m hiring Alvarez off the Chicago billboards.

[mraynrand]

Dee Smith is a hotshot BLACK lawyer. Hiring other lawyers is financially wasteful..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ESJINXeBjhc

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I know you are just trying to piss off Rand, but Smith's specialty is not labor law and labor law specialists will be writing the contract language. Smith has done trial work, corporate law, white collar crime, prison issues and (national, I think) security.

The one new interesting thing to come out of this reporting is that the NFLPA couldn't even get an insurance firm to write a policy for retired NFL players health care.

All I'm just saying is, as much as I despise pigs and their vicious pursuit of wealth, the "elitists" - the Richard Shermans, Great Arm of Butteses, JJ Watts - within the NFLPA need to stop being so greedy. The CBA on the table seems it's like a good deal, especially for the majority, the "good, normal" players. That deal is nirvana compared to the benefits and compensations I received flipping burgers for the last 5 years combined. In other words, I'm being exploited. NFL players, not as much.

While just a faceless, hapless, replaceable slave, I - along with millions of Tex's GNAs - nonetheless played a part in helping The Company generate 70 times more revenue last year than what the NFL generated in 2018. Not saying burger-flippers should be paid like NFL players. Just saying, working-class heroes -the hard-working, do-your-fucking-job folks - the world over deserve to be paid a gainful wage and receive optimal health insurance, among other optimal benefits.

[bobblehead]

Ultimately depends what percentage of players make more than 4M per year (250K per game * 16 games).

If I were the players, I would lock out the owners and wait them out. Not getting 50% of revenue is insane in such a violent sport.

In the end, I view 18 games and 2 in-season byes to be inevitable.

I can see where having only one bye in the playoffs increases competition. Maybe it makes the product better. I think maybe it's worth a shot.

I tend to advocate for the owners when it comes to the cut of the pie, but there are many concessions I think owners should make. For one, I would make contracts guaranteed. I would actually cut the players % of the money down a bit, but I would stick with current games and playoffs format. I would attempt to structure the cap to a system like the NBA has where you can offer your own FA more than any other team can. The cap would become malleable in that system that would allow teams to spend more than the % players are guaranteed.

In the end, players are free to go play in the XFL or ZFL or wherever they want. The ownership has created a monster product that fans crave, and its NOT all about the players. If the top 3 players at every position disappeared no one would care. We would still tune in and show up at the stadiums. The players didn't build this, the ownership did. I'm not suggesting we go back to the 70's, just a little sanity in the structure...

Oh yea, and practice more for fucks sake. Give me the offseason programs where a QB might be developed. Where a Rashan Gary can work with the team and coaches throughout the year.

[bobblehead]

Not only was the Soviet Union not pro-Union at all, but you are clearly one of those in favor of unions unless it means someone else gets paid.

So please get lost.

Isn't that all people all the time?

[bobblehead]

The players have the product and the power, but the owners have time.

I disagree with this. The players have neither since they don't have time. The owners could put forth a deal they like and say eat it or sit. You think Jerry Jones misses a single meal or any other pleasure if the season gets cancelled? But 75% of the players would hurt quite a lot.

A bad court ruling basically said owners can't use scabs again, but they can say sit and go play in the xfl...but as soon as they go play in the xfl that court ruling gets revisited.

[bobblehead]

Oldest trick in negotiation book.

Gave in on things they could not actually care less about and then offered more money to lowest paid employees. Translates into headlines and votes.

They don’t get higher percentage of revenue (at least not that I have seen reported), Goodell is still the judge and jury and big contract players everyone tunes in to see get a paycut for revenue producing 17th game.

I truly don't mean this as a political post, but isn't that the entire socialist way? And socialism is what the courts thrust onto the NFL when they decided each franchise is a business, not the NFL as a whole. As such, offering more the the little guy at the expense of the big guy is legit and effective.

[bobblehead]

All I'm just saying is, as much as I despise pigs and their vicious pursuit of wealth, the "elitists" - the Richard Shermans, Great Arm of Butteses, JJ Watts - within the NFLPA need to stop being so greedy. The CBA on the table seems it's like a good deal, especially for the majority, the "good, normal" players. That deal is nirvana compared to the benefits and compensations I received flipping burgers for the last 5 years combined. In other words, I'm being exploited. NFL players, not as much.

While just a faceless, hapless, replaceable slave, I - along with millions of Tex's GNAs - nonetheless played a part in helping The Company generate 70 times more revenue last year than what the NFL generated in 2018. Not saying burger-flippers should be paid like NFL players. Just saying, working-class heroes -the hard-working, do-your-fucking-job folks - the world over deserve to be paid a gainful wage and receive optimal health insurance, among other optimal benefits.

I can't possibly respond to this without Pb deleting my post so I will just say this. I don't disagree, I just disagree with the method of achieving it. You think it can be forced by law, I believe it can only be forced by necessity.

[pbmax]

You mean all those AM radio spots for “SelectQuote” were lies?

You gotta read the fine print.

I mean listen.

[pbmax]

lol. Yeah I was gonna got back and change it but then who really cares? If I need a lawyer, I’m hiring Alvarez off the Chicago billboards.

Gruber, One Call, That's All!

[pbmax]

Isn't that all people all the time?

Frustratingly often.

[pbmax]

I truly don't mean this as a political post, but isn't that the entire socialist way? And socialism is what the courts thrust onto the NFL when they decided each franchise is a business, not the NFL as a whole. As such, offering more the the little guy at the expense of the big guy is legit and effective.

To a degree, I suppose you could claim this. But the discrepancy between top and bottom of player salaries wouldn't be so stark in a truly socialist system.

Both player compensation and owner financial sharing of revenue have social features, but its not the dominating social principle.

"28 Republicans who vote socialist"

~ Art Modell

[Zool]

All I'm just saying is, as much as I despise pigs and their vicious pursuit of wealth, the "elitists" - the Richard Shermans, Great Arm of Butteses, JJ Watts - within the NFLPA need to stop being so greedy. The CBA on the table seems it's like a good deal, especially for the majority, the "good, normal" players. That deal is nirvana compared to the benefits and compensations I received flipping burgers for the last 5 years combined. In other words, I'm being exploited. NFL players, not as much.

While just a faceless, hapless, replaceable slave, I - along with millions of Tex's GNAs - nonetheless played a part in helping The Company generate 70 times more revenue last year than what the NFL generated in 2018. Not saying burger-flippers should be paid like NFL players. Just saying, working-class heroes -the hard-working, do-your-fucking-job folks - the world over deserve to be paid a gainful wage and receive optimal health insurance, among other optimal benefits.

So in one breath you say the players should accept less than fair market value for their labor, then next say you’re underpaid. Maybe you should stop being so greedy at your burger joint.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

So in one breath you say the players should accept less than fair market value for their labor, then next say you’re underpaid. Maybe you should stop being so greedy at your burger joint.

Man, you’re just as dumb as O’Day. Back to ignoring you after this post.