2020 NFL DRAFT WIDE RECEIVER TIERS

[GB-Brandon]

Making the playoffs just about ever year? Is that your definition of insanity? What's your expectation? The Packers having 5 first round draft picks at wide receiver? I don't think the Packers or any other organization skip positional need because they only want to draft the position later in the draft, most likely their isn't a prospect rated high enough to draft early.

I am evaluating the draft, not the Packers. If you are so good at evaluating talent at wide receiver please tell me why Jalen Reagor is so much better than Quartney Davis or Devin Duvernay? Go ahead and watch all the game tape on them, don't read any other write ups, just watch film and tell me why one player is so highly valued over another one? I am not a full time scout, I have my reasons why I rate him two tiers higher, but truly we have very little room to decipher compared to a full time scout. Is Reagor a better value in the first round than Duvernay or Davis in the 3rd or 4th round? Please explain it to me?

Please. This organization was making the playoffs for several years because Aaron Rodgers was playing at a “Michael Jordan Level” and was covering up all the WARTS!!!!! Everyone took it for granted. The second Rodgers fell off that level this whole thing stalled with the overall MEDIOCRE weapons they have given him being EXPOSED.

My issue has been this infatuation of drafting db’s high just about every year with little to zero overall improvement year after year. We finally have an adequate secondary 10 high draft picks later. Just a plethora of resources purged. Then they get up there and drop their pants with the 12th pick of the draft for Rashan Gary(who is a 4-3 DE) and try to make him a 3-4 OLB. Yeah it’s “INSANE”. Remember Datone Jones?

“NEVER LEAVE THE GAME IN THE HANDS OF DB’s!!!!!!!”

The players have been there.

I advocated for Joe Mixon- PASS

I advocated for Courtland Sutton and Calvin Ridley -PASS

I advocated for DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel or Parris Campbell - PASS

Could you imagine having these guys now?

This is just the last few years. I don’t want to hear that talented players weren’t there. The Packers went from valuing the WR position with the list of picks they made that I provided to making it an afterthought. That’s the bottom line.

Yes i value Reagor higher. He is a very very talented player that I project as a “GAME CHANGER” for this offense. He has all the tools needed for what this offense and scheme needs. Doesn’t take a “high level scout” to figure it out.

Lastly my expectations are “Lombardi’s”. It’s called “Titletown” for a reason and it’s not “2nd place”

[GB-Brandon]

I guess I don't understand the disconnect. He only has like 15 receivers in his top three tiers, so the tier four he is talking about are a lot of 3rd and 4th rounders (in a very deep WR draft)--not late round flyers. Think James Jones, not Malachi Dupre. There are guys he has listed in that tier that I don't like that high though.

I want “Tier 1”

[Deputy Nutz]

I think all the tier one guys will be gone by the time the Packers pick.

I would tend to agree with you about Dk Metcalf, Debo Samuel, and Paris Campbell. I had Campbell rated pretty high last year as a possible first round pick. To bad he got injured and had zero production last year, mean while his college teammate McLauren was draft much much later and had over 900 yards receiving and 7 touchdowns.

Debo Samuel was not a tier one guy last year, I think he was tier 2 or tier 3.

My reference to tier 4 was simply how deep the receiver class was this year. You have 15 guys in 4 tiers and reality some are much much closer.

Also I am not sure how old you are Brandy, but the reality is the Packers went decades with losing after Lombardi. Along the way I think the franchise as a whole decided that to be financially successful in the smallest market in professional sports they needed to win consistently. I don't think they have ever really considered to make one big push because of Rodgers or Favre. The reality is, it is a really good franchise one of the top 5 in the NFL in terms of winning percentage and championships, but they are not the New England Patriots under the "Hoodie Genius", and those are just the facts. You want a comparison, The Packers and the Steelers are a good comparison.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I was looking at more numbers from my draft spreadsheets. There was only one player in those four drafts who ran slower than 4.57 40 that amounted to anything. Michael Thomas ran 4.57. Davante Adams ran 4.56. Jarvis Landry ran a friggin' 4.77, but he had to slip or something. He's not that slow. That 4.57 is about the cutoff. I'm not even looking for stars. In one year Allen Lazard ran 4.55. Nobody who ran slower amounted to much. Below are the guys who ran slower that year. Guys who are slower than that have a tough time making it. Unfortunately, that makes the odds long for Gandy-Golden (my guy) and Cephus (everbody else's guy) making it.

Jaleel Scott
Korey Robertson
Steven Mitchell
Dylan Cantrell
J'Mon Moore
Deontay Burnett
Marcell Ateman
Simmie Cobbs
Jake Wieneke
Auden Tate
Darren Carrington
Cam Phillips
Tavares Martin

[HarveyWallbangers]

The guys who ran slower than 4.57 40 in 2014-2016 (looks like I missed Allen Robinson at 4.60 in 2014 as another slow guy who made it):

Devon Cajuste
Demarcus Robinson
Jalin Marshall
Pharoh Cooper
Rashard Higgins
Geronimo Allison
Nelson Spruce
Kenny Lawler
Laquon Treadwell
Cayleb Jones
Bralon Addison
Demarcus Ayers
D'haquille Williams
De'Runnya Wilson
Tony Lippett
Austin Hill
Rannell Hall
Josh Harper
Vince Mayle
Allen Robinson
Jeremy Butler
Kelvin Benjamin
Ryan Grant
Cody Hoffman
Jarvis Landry

[HarveyWallbangers]

Top players in each class:

2014

Brandin Cooks 4.33
Sammy Watkins 4.43
Odell Beckham 4.43
Mike Evans 4.53
Davante Adams 4.56
Allen Robinson 4.60

2015

Tyler Lockett 4.40
Amari Cooper 4.42
DeVante Parker 4.45
Stefon Diggs 4.46
Darren Waller 4.46 (converted to TE)

2016

Tyreek Hill 4.29 (Pro Day)
Will Fuller 4.32
Robbie Anderson 4.38 (Pro Day)
Tyler Boyd 4.54
Michael Thomas 4.57

2018

D.J. Chark 4.34
D.J. Moore 4.42
Calvin Ridley 4.43
Michael Gallup 4.51
Courtland Sutton 4.54

I might be the only one that finds these things interesting.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This reminds me that I was a big Michael Gallup guy. Consensus #10 WR that year. Projected to go round 3. I had him as #4 WR and a second round grade.

1 D.J. Moore
2 Calvin Ridley
3 Courtland Sutton
4 Michael Gallup
5 D.J. Chark
6 Christian Kirk

[GB-Brandon]

I think all the tier one guys will be gone by the time the Packers pick.

I would tend to agree with you about Dk Metcalf, Debo Samuel, and Paris Campbell. I had Campbell rated pretty high last year as a possible first round pick. To bad he got injured and had zero production last year, mean while his college teammate McLauren was draft much much later and had over 900 yards receiving and 7 touchdowns.

Debo Samuel was not a tier one guy last year, I think he was tier 2 or tier 3.

My reference to tier 4 was simply how deep the receiver class was this year. You have 15 guys in 4 tiers and reality some are much much closer.

Also I am not sure how old you are Brandy, but the reality is the Packers went decades with losing after Lombardi. Along the way I think the franchise as a whole decided that to be financially successful in the smallest market in professional sports they needed to win consistently. I don't think they have ever really considered to make one big push because of Rodgers or Favre. The reality is, it is a really good franchise one of the top 5 in the NFL in terms of winning percentage and championships, but they are not the New England Patriots under the "Hoodie Genius", and those are just the facts. You want a comparison, The Packers and the Steelers are a good comparison.

Yeah, winning the Super Bowl every year isn’t realistic but we have let at least a couple slip away. I was around in the Lynn Dickey days sitting on my grandpa’s lap as he yelled at the tv so I get it. The Packers are a successful organization overall no doubt. Titletown District is really coming together.

My thing is when we had Rodgers in his prime we could of racked some more up. Major opportunity was lost and I hope it isn’t too late. Being a small franchise has nothing to do with drafting top tier talent receivers. I live here about 6 blocks from the stadium and all I hear is “Why Don’t We Get Rodgers More Weapons!!!” I sat at a bar that emptied out after they drafted Rashan Gary surrounded by BOO’S!!!!. I’m well aware of the temperature of the city. We want a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! People miss regular Lambeau Leaps on Sunday afternoon. Instead it appears the front office would rather put square pegs in round holes and pray for the best. THAT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

It’s 2020 so time to get with the program. Score! Score! Score! We have a defense that can play with the lead and get some pressure and get some turnovers. We need to put this OFFENSIVE MACHINE back together and time is of the urgency.

I really believed Thompson was gonna take a chance on Mixon. He was a “Top 10 Talent”. The small city of Green Bay would of been the perfect for him. He has been nothing but a stand up citizen since being a pro in Cincinnati. Mixon’s skill set could of flourished with AR12.

I prayed almost every night they would of drafted Courtland Sutton. Instead they drafted a few wannabee’s in MVS, ESB and Moore.

I WANTED Parris Campbell so damn bad. I’m right with you on your evaluation of him. I still believe he can be a star but probably isn’t in the best situation with the Colts. I’d still take him right now after his injury riddled rookie year.

As far as Deebo you could tell he was gonna be a star. What he did at South Carolina and at the Senior Bowl he looked like he was playing against 8th graders with his cuts and breaks out of routes. Nobody could keep up with him when he put on the breaks and “flipped the hips”. I see some Deebo in Reagor which is exciting to see.

I want a “double down” at receiver. I want Reagor and Aiyuk and then we can get this “Ferrari With Snow Tires” back on the Road.

[GB-Brandon]

Top players in each class:

2014

Brandin Cooks 4.33
Sammy Watkins 4.43
Odell Beckham 4.43
Mike Evans 4.53
Davante Adams 4.56
Allen Robinson 4.60

2015

Tyler Lockett 4.40
Amari Cooper 4.42
DeVante Parker 4.45
Stefon Diggs 4.46
Darren Waller 4.46 (converted to TE)

2016

Tyreek Hill 4.29 (Pro Day)
Will Fuller 4.32
Robbie Anderson 4.38 (Pro Day)
Tyler Boyd 4.54
Michael Thomas 4.57

2018

D.J. Chark 4.34
D.J. Moore 4.42
Calvin Ridley 4.43
Michael Gallup 4.51
Courtland Sutton 4.54

I might be the only one that finds these things interesting.

Thanks for all the work!!!

[run pMc]

This reminds me that I was a big Michael Gallup guy. Consensus #10 WR that year. Projected to go round 3. I had him as #4 WR and a second round grade.

1 D.J. Moore
2 Calvin Ridley
3 Courtland Sutton
4 Michael Gallup
5 D.J. Chark
6 Christian Kirk

I really liked Christian Kirk but thought he wouldn't make it to GB's R2 pick. I was wrong. Then again I thought Josh Jackson two picks before Kirk went was good value at the time. Now? Not so sure. You pick one player, you lose out on many others potentially.

I'm not sold on Reagor or Aiyuk specifically, but I do think they need some explosive players who have quickness and can separate. Yeah, so they can draft Pittman, I'm ok with him as a big slot and outside receiver, but you'd still want a guy like Duvernay or some other burner (including Raegor/Aiyuk) IMO.

FWIW, there's something about Aiyuk that screams one-year college wonder and bust player to me. Can't put my finger on it, but probably would need to watch more film.
Reagor is a burner who had some subpar QB play, the whole gaining and dropping weight thing for combine/pro day makes me wonder what weight he would play at, and he has some other questions re: his route running but I'd prefer him over Aiyuk at this point.

It's fine if people have favorite players, or players they want GB to draft. Doesn't mean they will.

If they don't draft 2 WRs -- one of them by the end of R3 -- I'll be worried. That gives you 8 players -- Funchess, Lazard, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, Begelton and 2 draft picks -- fighting it out for at most 5 spots. (I'm assuming they carry 6 WR like last year, and Adams is a lock.)

[run pMc]

Thanks for all the work!!!

Agree. Now for my nitpicking -- there are probably receivers left off the list who are at least #3WRs. Also, where's 2017? LOL

[HarveyWallbangers]

Life was busy in 2017. I was going through a divorce in 2019.

[Bretsky]

I really liked Christian Kirk but thought he wouldn't make it to GB's R2 pick. I was wrong. Then again I thought Josh Jackson two picks before Kirk went was good value at the time. Now? Not so sure. You pick one player, you lose out on many others potentially.

I'm not sold on Reagor or Aiyuk specifically, but I do think they need some explosive players who have quickness and can separate. Yeah, so they can draft Pittman, I'm ok with him as a big slot and outside receiver, but you'd still want a guy like Duvernay or some other burner (including Raegor/Aiyuk) IMO.

FWIW, there's something about Aiyuk that screams one-year college wonder and bust player to me. Can't put my finger on it, but probably would need to watch more film.
Reagor is a burner who had some subpar QB play, the whole gaining and dropping weight thing for combine/pro day makes me wonder what weight he would play at, and he has some other questions re: his route running but I'd prefer him over Aiyuk at this point.

It's fine if people have favorite players, or players they want GB to draft. Doesn't mean they will.

If they don't draft 2 WRs -- one of them by the end of R3 -- I'll be worried. That gives you 8 players -- Funchess, Lazard, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, Begelton and 2 draft picks -- fighting it out for at most 5 spots. (I'm assuming they carry 6 WR like last year, and Adams is a lock.)

Aiyuk scares me too; he didn't run many route and really needs a lot of development. But he is a playmaker. Cordelle Patterson ?

I'm down with Mims/Jaegor/Jefferson in round one
and
the my Fave Cephus.

GB never drafts the Badgers I am high on; so in the end I hope Cephus goes to a team with a stud QB and tears it up. Maybe Phily. Who knows

[GB-Brandon]

I really liked Christian Kirk but thought he wouldn't make it to GB's R2 pick. I was wrong. Then again I thought Josh Jackson two picks before Kirk went was good value at the time. Now? Not so sure. You pick one player, you lose out on many others potentially.

I'm not sold on Reagor or Aiyuk specifically, but I do think they need some explosive players who have quickness and can separate. Yeah, so they can draft Pittman, I'm ok with him as a big slot and outside receiver, but you'd still want a guy like Duvernay or some other burner (including Raegor/Aiyuk) IMO.

FWIW, there's something about Aiyuk that screams one-year college wonder and bust player to me. Can't put my finger on it, but probably would need to watch more film.
Reagor is a burner who had some subpar QB play, the whole gaining and dropping weight thing for combine/pro day makes me wonder what weight he would play at, and he has some other questions re: his route running but I'd prefer him over Aiyuk at this point.

It's fine if people have favorite players, or players they want GB to draft. Doesn't mean they will.

If they don't draft 2 WRs -- one of them by the end of R3 -- I'll be worried. That gives you 8 players -- Funchess, Lazard, MVS, EQ, Kumerow, Begelton and 2 draft picks -- fighting it out for at most 5 spots. (I'm assuming they carry 6 WR like last year, and Adams is a lock.)

I was skeptical about Aiyuk too early on and I get the “One Season Thing.” In fact I hold a Pac 12 bias of dislike. I didn’t like Harry at all last year. Aiyuk is a different story. He is just so natural and fluid. He doesn’t have that Parris Campbell top gear but he is right there with him on how fluid and smooth he is. This is stuff you can’t teach or coach. Aiyuk also has proven a better deep ball tracking then Campbell who didn’t have much tape of that at OSU. I see Aiyuk as a guy you can line up at multiple spots and get him involved. He is “Twitchy” and we need “Twitchy” or we’re continue to see Rodgers just chucking the ball away out of bounds cause nobody can get open and then shaking his head..

I kind of like the Greg Jennings comparison. I can see that.

[Bretsky]

I think Greg Jennings are a very very advance route runner coming out of college. I think Aiyuk can be but I don't think he is now