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  • #46
    Originally posted by pbmax View Post
    You can't hide Goodson in the passing game. He's too slow. You are simply asking them to isolate him or Martinez on a TE or WR and pray for the best. I would want to call plays against it. This is how they lost the first game, concentrating on the run and being killed by Kittle.

    Goodson only plays when its an obvious run down.

    In the payoff game they went with a heavy nickel 3-4 if that makes sense. On the LOS was Clark-Lancaster-Lowry. Smiths were OLB. 5 on the line with Martinez and whoever replaced Raven Green in the middle. On one of their TD plays we broke down after the game, Clark was getting a blow and Adams was in there instead. He got moved a bit but fought back but not enough to make a play. At best you could say he defended his gap with one arm.

    Which was better than anyone else on the play.

    The safety got buried, Martinez was late and there was too much space. Lancaster fell down and Lowry was backside with no pursuit. The Smith's never smelled the ball.

    You need a special kind of DB to make that work. Not even Woodson played like that.

    They either need another 1-3 tech D tackle who will close that gap or interfere with the Guard or they need a monster hybrid Nitro backer. If you play that offense in that heavy nickel, you might need both. Run plays like that took the Smiths out of the game.
    I completely understand the athletic limitations overall in the front seven last year. Its basically Kenny Clark and two edge rushers.

    However; I would rather take my chances with Garapalo throwing the ball(even with some mismatches) then RB’s hitting there heads on the goal post with ease.

    Kansas City was able to slow down there run game(packing in a 4-3 with bodies) and keeping it close. Then they got the game into the 4th quarter and guess what?

    Garapalo Choked!!!

    Mike Pettine is a JOKE!

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    • #47
      Brandon, football is fluid. Every year is different with rule changes and how teams adapt. Relax on the overreaction to last year's wholloping . That was a rare offense we ran into and didn't quite adjust to it in time. Doubt they'll be that good again. Next year's Goliath in the NFC might be more pass oriented with a legendary defense . Then you swing all the way one way only to get beat the other. Just relax, man. Get better across the board and hope for some breaks. 2020 isn't 2019.

      Big, slow linebackers and useless slobs up front isn't the answer , bro. Football has too many asoects to sell out one way or the other. Had we sold out on the run and somehow got to KC, we woulda got beat by the pass.

      Your one dimensional viewpoint isn't really fittog with the whole game of football.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #48
        Somehow Garapalo is some HOF QB all the sudden. He is very average. Sooooooooo scared of Jimmie Garapalo. Eeeeeeewwwwww.

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        • #49
          He's pretty average but his situation seems to get him some nice opportunities from time to time.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by GB-Brandon View Post
            I completely understand the athletic limitations overall in the front seven last year. Its basically Kenny Clark and two edge rushers.

            However; I would rather take my chances with Garapalo throwing the ball(even with some mismatches) then RB’s hitting there heads on the goal post with ease.

            Kansas City was able to slow down there run game(packing in a 4-3 with bodies) and keeping it close. Then they got the game into the 4th quarter and guess what?

            Garapalo Choked!!!

            Mike Pettine is a JOKE!
            I agree with you. Kittle or no, would prefer to put game into Jimmy's hands.
            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by RashanGary View Post
              Brandon, football is fluid. Every year is different with rule changes and how teams adapt. Relax on the overreaction to last year's wholloping . That was a rare offense we ran into and didn't quite adjust to it in time. Doubt they'll be that good again. Next year's Goliath in the NFC might be more pass oriented with a legendary defense . Then you swing all the way one way only to get beat the other. Just relax, man. Get better across the board and hope for some breaks. 2020 isn't 2019.

              Big, slow linebackers and useless slobs up front isn't the answer , bro. Football has too many asoects to sell out one way or the other. Had we sold out on the run and somehow got to KC, we woulda got beat by the pass.

              Your one dimensional viewpoint isn't really fittog with the whole game of football.
              Where have I ever said to “Get Big Goliath Slow LB’s” or “Big slobs upfront”?????

              My top prospects for the Packers for where we pick on the defense are as follows

              Jordyn Brooks ILB. Think he ran 4.54 at combine and that was with a bad shoulder

              DL- Raekwon Davis. - Both have athletic ability to play fast
              Devon Hamilton
              Last edited by GB-Brandon; 04-23-2020, 09:30 AM.

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              • #52
                If you don’t think they wouldn’t be an improvement over “Team Northwestern then I can’t help ya. I don’t see the need to spend a 1st round pick on a DT. I’m not sure what you get in round 1 is much better then you get in round 3 considering are draft position.

                I stand behind my main point that right now the most important thing is to re-load the offense: I believe it’s our best chance. I still believe Rodgers can sling it with the right guys around him and thrive. If people disagree then that is fine.
                Generally agree with this sentiment. Lowry and Lancaster are good depth players, but they (and the Smiths) played poorly in the NFCCG. Their lack of playmakers on offense is also a problem. I think Gute will take steps to fix that. He made significant roster improvements last year, he can make more improvements.

                As for Garopolo, he's relatively inexperienced (26 starts, 42 games) and overrated IMO. He is surrounded by some very good talent on defense and a running game which takes the pressure off him. Those things alone are good for a few wins, plus they had a 3rd place schedule (as did GB) IIRC. It would have been best to put the game in his hands, but Shanahan bet big on his running game and it paid off. Even when GB did get them in 3rd and 5+ they were able to convert by running the ball. SF's passing game is predicated on RAC so while packing the box might have forced some 4th downs, but I wonder if it wouldn't also leave them open to Deebo or Kittle running wild like in the regular season game.
                GB's turnovers and sloppy offense didn't help -- if they were able to apply more pressure to turn it into a shootout that might have evened the odds.
                Don't forget - SF was easily the favorite in the NFCCG.

                As it is, they should focus on talent, scheme, and performance to win their division first and worry about other teams second.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                  I agree with you. Kittle or no, would prefer to put game into Jimmy's hands.

                  Exactly, because more things could go wrong for them. The receiver slips or runs the wrong route. QB doesn’t get adequate protection. QB makes a bad throw. Ball gets tipped. Etc etc etc

                  Pettine gave us zero chance and showed he has zero ability to adjust. NOT GOOD.

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