What’s your early take on Jordan Love?

[texaspackerbacker]

So what happens next? Rodgers takes off and runs for a first down or Rodgers throws it away. Love damn well better learn his lessons well and do the same. The piss ants who would have either of them put it up for grabs can eat shit.

It would be nice to have our receivers get open and this scenario happen less, though.

[sharpe1027]

I would agree the last two years of play has been less than Rodgersesque. But part of that is when the following happens.

Rodgers back to pass.......nobody open
Rodgers steps up in the pocket...nobody still open
Rodgers rolls out...tick tick ....nobody still open

We haven't had the WR talent back there to be consistent, IMO

Part if it is also Rodgers either not seeing the open receiver or just not pulling the trigger. His accuracy was not great last year. Maybe he's compensating by being even more cautious? I don't know, but it'ss not fair to out all of Rodgers poor play on the receivers.

[sharpe1027]

So what happens next? Rodgers takes off and runs for a first down or Rodgers throws it away. Love damn well better learn his lessons well and do the same. The piss ants who would have either of them put it up for grabs can eat shit.

It would be nice to have our receivers get open and this scenario happen less, though.

There's a point that holding the ball is worse than making the throw. Every single throw is a risk. Nobody wants him to throw it up for grabs, but being a little more aggressive might do more good than harm. Favre was way more aggressive all through his career and he was outstanding until the end of his career.

[pbmax]

There's a point that holding the ball is worse than making the throw. Every single throw is a risk. Nobody wants him to throw it up for grabs, but being a little more aggressive might do more good than harm. Favre was way more aggressive all through his career and he was outstanding until the end of his career.

Ah, he has a couple of not outstanding seasons mixed in. Aggressiveness doesn't cure talent problems. He had a horrible year in 2005 and his last season was no great shakes.

[pbmax]

Part if it is also Rodgers either not seeing the open receiver or just not pulling the trigger. His accuracy was not great last year. Maybe he's compensating by being even more cautious? I don't know, but it'ss not fair to out all of Rodgers poor play on the receivers.

Its definitely both. But the receiver drop off has been very large compared to the QB drop off in my opinion.

He wants to trust each receiver to make predictable adjustments before regularly throwing them contested balls. More so than in the offense's heyday, the number or targets he trusts is low. Several for good reasons.

[texaspackerbacker]

There's a point that holding the ball is worse than making the throw. Every single throw is a risk. Nobody wants him to throw it up for grabs, but being a little more aggressive might do more good than harm. Favre was way more aggressive all through his career and he was outstanding until the end of his career.

Keep telling yourself that shit. What sets Rodgers apart from every other QB now and pretty much in history is his good judgment not to do stupid crap like you and some others seem to crave. 13-3 with a mediocre supporting cast says it all.

[GB-Brandon]

It’s give and take. Rodgers threw for 4000 yards with only 4 interceptions. That’s huge. The Packers were in a a lot of close games last year too. Would you rather have a few more highlight reel plays or double digit interceptions and probably not winning 13 games.

I get that everyone wants Aaron Rodgers to play at this “all time elite level” and make below average receivers look like Jerry Rice but those days are gone. However, he can still be a top QB in this league and compete for MVP’s but that entails getting him more to work with in the passing game then he currently has.

[sharpe1027]

Keep telling yourself that shit. What sets Rodgers apart from every other QB now and pretty much in history is his good judgment not to do stupid crap like you and some others seem to crave. 13-3 with a mediocre supporting cast says it all.

I agree that's part of what sets him apart. I don't want him to do stupid crap. I do want him to find the open receiver a few more times a game.

[sharpe1027]

It’s give and take. Rodgers threw for 4000 yards with only 4 interceptions. That’s huge. The Packers were in a a lot of close games last year too. Would you rather have a few more highlight reel plays or double digit interceptions and probably not winning 13 games.

I get that everyone wants Aaron Rodgers to play at this “all time elite level” and make below average receivers look like Jerry Rice but those days are gone. However, he can still be a top QB in this league and compete for MVP’s but that entails getting him more to work with in the passing game then he currently has.

Well, if that's my only two options, I'll take 13-3. Funny how that works when you intentionally picked a bad option to compare to the option you want me to pick.

I don't believe Rodgers played up to his potential, even at this age. I don't disagree that the receivers were a large part of the problem. I do disagree that was enough to give Rodgers a pass on his play.

[sharpe1027]

Its definitely both. But the receiver drop off has been very large compared to the QB drop off in my opinion.

He wants to trust each receiver to make predictable adjustments before regularly throwing them contested balls. More so than in the offense's heyday, the number or targets he trusts is low. Several for good reasons.

I can't agree that the appropriate response to a few mistakes is to stop throwing the ball to certain players. If what you say is true, you don't think other teams took advantage of that? Who is to blame?

[George Cumby]

Channeling any part of Ted and his philosophy is a bad thing. Disagree, generally, draft and develop is sound. Granted, Ted didn't use FA as aggressively as he should have, but this is hindsight.

Ted's philosophy was seriously flawed, and that is reflected in the fact that, despite having a HOF QB under center for 13 years, he only won one SB. Same for Ron Wolf.

In the mean time, how many SB's was Brady winning?? With the greatest/cheatingest coach of all time. Apples and oranges.

And for the record, I think Rodgers is better than Brady all day long. Agreed.

Ted's philosophy builds 9-7/10-6 teams... if strictly adhered to - like this year by Gute?? The team will remain stuck there b/c of philosophical stubbornness. What was the Packers average W/L during Ted's tenure? Better than 9-7/10-6, iirc.

This draft is a sad reminder of just how flawed Ted's philosophy is. I was hoping Gute was not a doctrinaire disciple, but apparently he is.

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IDK. I don't know if I could articulate what Gutes philosophy is right now, the data isn't there. Just based on his aggressive F/A usage, I'd say he's not following Ted's Dogma. And I'm not sold on Gutes or this draft, BTW, it's just too early to say, IMO.

[sharpe1027]

Its definitely both. But the receiver drop off has been very large compared to the QB drop off in my opinion.

He wants to trust each receiver to make predictable adjustments before regularly throwing them contested balls. More so than in the offense's heyday, the number or targets he trusts is low. Several for good reasons.

I do agree the WR is more of the problem than Rodgers, but I read some of the posts as making excuses and a free pass.

[GB-Brandon]

The nail in the coffin wasn’t Rodgers play. It was Gute/Flower turning a sports car into a 4 by 4 truck.

They were supposed to come in and restore the sports car and get the right new parts. Not lift it up in the air and put big tires on it with some sup’d up muffler.

[ThunderDan]

The nail in the coffin wasn’t Rodgers play. It was Gute/Flower turning a sports car into a 4 by 4 truck.

They were supposed to come in and restore the sports car and get the right new parts. Not lift it up in the air and put big tires on it with some sup’d up muffler.

You forgot the truck nuts.

[pbmax]

I can't agree that the appropriate response to a few mistakes is to stop throwing the ball to certain players. If what you say is true, you don't think other teams took advantage of that? Who is to blame?

I am not sure there is a fix. Brady did the same thing to Hoody in New England. Brady wanted better talent at WR too.

Ideally, you have a lot of long conversations and win him to your side.

Instead, the Packers are dong what they did with Favre, not talking to him much and just waiting to see what he does.