The Next Few Years - Rebuild Mode

[wist43]

I think Dillon and duhwho will be productive in Lefluer's system. But how does that move the needle to overtake the better teams ahead of us??

Our defense isn't better, and it wasn't good enough last year; we have arguably the worst receiving Corp in the NFL; and Rodgers is all but out the door.

It's not "semantics", it's math and reality.

Add in the misses on Jackson, Burks, and maybe Gary... and it's easy to see the wheels spinning but not being good enough to win it all.

[Bretsky]

I think Dillon and duhwho will be productive in Lefluer's system. But how does that move the needle to overtake the better teams ahead of us??

Our defense isn't better, and it wasn't good enough last year; we have arguably the worst receiving Corp in the NFL; and Rodgers is all but out the door.

It's not "semantics", it's math and reality.

Add in the misses on Jackson, Burks, and maybe Gary... and it's easy to see the wheels spinning but not being good enough to win it all.

The day when I call Wist the voice of reason has arrived...... ))))

[Bretsky]

I think Dillon and duhwho will be productive in Lefluer's system. But how does that move the needle to overtake the better teams ahead of us??

Our defense isn't better, and it wasn't good enough last year; we have arguably the worst receiving Corp in the NFL; and Rodgers is all but out the door.

It's not "semantics", it's math and reality.

Add in the misses on Jackson, Burks, and maybe Gary... and it's easy to see the wheels spinning but not being good enough to win it all.

You are right around the corner from admitting Pettine is really not that much better than Dom

[mraynrand]

I think Dillon and duhwho will be productive in Lefluer's system. But how does that move the needle to overtake the better teams ahead of us??

Our defense isn't better, and it wasn't good enough last year; we have arguably the worst receiving Corp in the NFL; and Rodgers is all but out the door.

It's not "semantics", it's math and reality.

Add in the misses on Jackson, Burks, and maybe Gary... and it's easy to see the wheels spinning but not being good enough to win it all.

OK, I get the critiques of missed picks. But that's not the point of your own thread. You rebuild when your roster is depleted and your HOF QB is out the door. The pros are still like college, except with a longer window of opportunity. You can't stay pat assuming your HOF QB is gonna play until he's 40. Colleges know their starting QB will graduate or leave a year early, so they keep recruiting. The Packers changed their coach. Most teams would have to alter their strategy after that. The Packers under TT and Stubby started drafting different players for his system. When Capers came in they drafted guys to play 3-4. Although not as big a shift, the Packers are moving to Flower Power offense, like it or not. It doesn't feel like a rebuild because Rodgers is playing through it and they never tanked to 1-4 wins. So it's a retool. Change on the fly. Hopefully, Rodgers will accept it and thrive. But the Packers now have a plan in place in case he doesn't.

[RashanGary]

I think the Packers are more committed to running the ball in Rodgers twilight and subscribe to TTs philosophy that the worst time to get a QB is when you need one

[RashanGary]

Everyone thought we were doomed last year too. This is just status quo at packerrats

[Packers4Glory]

Gute can’t draft. These 2 drafts make little sense when you factor in Gary at 12 last year. Spend in FA & draft projects early in drafts do not mesh. Pick one or the other. Not this. This makes no sense.

[Packers4Glory]

Someone please defend not investing capital early in these drafts since Jordy’s injury in getting a WR.

[sharpe1027]

If the running game improves with these picks enough to open things up for Rodgers, this thread won't agree well. If it doesn't, then it's hard to see how this start to the draft can be seen as anything but a big miss for the short term.

[George Cumby]

Gute can’t draft. These 2 drafts make little sense when you factor in Gary at 12 last year. Spend in FA & draft projects early in drafts do not mesh. Pick one or the other. Not this. This makes no sense.

This might be the case. It's too early to tell just yet but I'm leaning this direction.

[Packers4Glory]

This might be the case. It's too early to tell just yet but I'm leaning this direction.

I'm not even saying these 3 picks might not turn out to be good. They easily could.

However running backs can be had whenever and we didn't need to spend a 2nd round pick on one with the 2 headed machine we currently have. If a later one doesn't pan out as much we can look at it again next year.

Drafting a 6th round graded H-back in the 3rd also makes zero sense. we dind't need to reach for him, and even if we didn't get him, it's not a franchise breaking miss. again, there were bigger holes to fill on both lines, WR, and ILB. Even a DB would have made more sense there. to think that he was truly their highest rated player left on the board is either really insulting to us fans, or they're really that inept and making up a draft board.

[mraynrand]

Drafting a 6th round graded H-back in the 3rd also makes zero sense.

I'm skeptical about the reliability of the draft round grading systems. You build a team with the players you want. What was Kittle's draft round grade? He was picked in the fifth and fit SF's offense pretty well. Maybe he lasted that long because no one thought he would fit their O. Maybe the TE would have been drafted in the fourth had GB let him slide. Maybe to a team that liked what the Ravens have been doing, for example.

[Bretsky]

I'm skeptical about the reliability of the draft round grading systems. You build a team with the players you want. What was Kittle's draft round grade? He was picked in the fifth and fit SF's offense pretty well. Maybe he lasted that long because no one thought he would fit their O. Maybe the TE would have been drafted in the fourth had GB let him slide. Maybe to a team that liked what the Ravens have been doing, for example.

Klttle was projected to go about where he did


DRAFT PROJECTION Round 4

BOTTOM LINE H-back type who lacks the desired size for in-line blocking but certainly has the technique and willingness to do it. He has good hands and flashes an ability to challenge as a pass catcher on all three levels. Kittle has the athleticism and blocking ability to become an effective move tight end if paired in the right system.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not even saying these 3 picks might not turn out to be good. They easily could.

However running backs can be had whenever and we didn't need to spend a 2nd round pick on one with the 2 headed machine we currently have. If a later one doesn't pan out as much we can look at it again next year.

Drafting a 6th round graded H-back in the 3rd also makes zero sense. we dind't need to reach for him, and even if we didn't get him, it's not a franchise breaking miss. again, there were bigger holes to fill on both lines, WR, and ILB. Even a DB would have made more sense there. to think that he was truly their highest rated player left on the board is either really insulting to us fans, or they're really that inept and making up a draft board.

This is the Collins argument all over again. Let them play before you judge their value. You could be right. But "round grades" will always have appropriate exceptions.

[gbgary]

These picks do nothing to improve the 2020 team...

Dillion and Josiah Duhwtf will play and contribute, but their impact will be very modest.

Love of course is a long-term project - and a big project at that. He's got terrible mechanics, is inaccurate, makes poor decisions, and makes an incredible number of poor throws. He's got one hell of a long way to go before he can even serve as the game day backup.

So, given that this draft is going to provide no help this year, and Rodgers will be one year closer to calling it a career - the following might be our near term reality:

1) Rodgers will certainly be gone after 2022, if not 2021.

2) P Smith is on a 3 year deal and is likely gone after 2021.

3) Ditto for Amos.

4) Z Smith is on a 4 year deal and will be over 30, so he's gone thereabouts.

5) Bacteria will probably be gone after 2020.

6) Jones will be gone next year.

7) Adam's will be getting long in the tooth.

That's 3-4 years with no realistic shot at a Championshp, and a pretty depleted roster by 2022.

We can't expect Gute will do anything to actually flesh out the roster - so I'm guessing our best hope is that we fail spectacularly enough to be able to dump Gute and Lefluer after the 2022 season.

That's the only lipstick I can put on this pig. Horrific last 2 days for the Green Bay Packers.

pretty much if they keep rodgers for 2-3 more years but i think they'll take the $5m and start the rebuild after 2020 if rodgers doesn't fully give in and run MLF's system the way he wants it run. no more mashup offense. all the old shit rodgers loves so much gone. 2019 was a wasted year in that process...except MAYBE it showed rodgers that shit doesn't work anymore. if he gives in that'll buy him 2021...but then he's gone for sure and they'll save $17m+ and it's love's turn. lol