The Next Few Years - Rebuild Mode

[wist43]

I disagree. Just about all those QB’s have far more weapons then Rodgers. It’s hard to get a real pulse on Rodgers right now due to brand new scheme and lack of playmakers within the system.

But a lot of those struggles were on Rodgers.

If you looked at the all 22's, and endzone shots when they showed them, Rodgers would simply not look at guys who were wide open - and a lot of times if he did look at them, he wouldn't pull the trigger.

It is why I wasn't as down on Graham as most of you guys b/c he was actually open a lot, but Rodgers simply had tunnel vision for Adams, and we were punting on the next play.

Perhaps Gute and Lefluer looked at that repeatedly happening, couldn't get Rodgers to come around, and that is why they decided to reset??

I don't know of course... but on the surface what they are doing makes no sense without some underlying reason that we're unaware of.

[wist43]

You cannot believe garoppalo and went are better... hell I don't think it is hard to see Stafford as inferior. And Brady? I don't know. I agree with the top 5 or 7 statement of bretsky

Wentz certainly had a better year statistically last year, and Garoppolo is in his prime and very talented. Stafford is better too.

Rodgers is still a serviceable starter, but no way can he carry a team like he used to.

The fact that Gute did absolutely nothing to improve the team for next year, tells us all we need to know about what they think of Rodgers.

Gute's draft this weekend was all about 3 years from now - when Rodgers will no longer be on the team.

[Carolina_Packer]

I'm skeptical about the reliability of the draft round grading systems. You build a team with the players you want. What was Kittle's draft round grade? He was picked in the fifth and fit SF's offense pretty well. Maybe he lasted that long because no one thought he would fit their O. Maybe the TE would have been drafted in the fourth had GB let him slide. Maybe to a team that liked what the Ravens have been doing, for example.

Kittle was good at Iowa, but his game went to another level in San Fran. Perhaps Iowa didn't ask him to do some of the things that he's being asked to do now. Credit to any fifth rounder who take advantage of the opportunity, and sticks around, but he's clearly also worked very hard. Clearly, he was underappreciated coming out.

Dillon, for example, was not asked to catch passes, but in the post-season all star games and workouts, showed a good ability to do so, which is a plus. He has also indicated he wants to be great at blitz pickup, which will be necessary to play on more obvious passing third downs. If he can bring both dimensions, as well as his size, speed and running ability, he can be a weapon. I'm glad they got him, given that both established backs are in their final year of their respective contracts.

[Bretsky]

Not sure about the grading,but this one definitely fails the eye test

If somebody would have posted our players Gutebag took five days ago and asked, how would you like this...all of our reactions would have been......WHAT the F'ck !

[Bretsky]

Brees, Mahomes, Wilson, Garoppalo, Jackson, Brady, Wentz, Murray, Stafford... probably a few more.

All of those QB's are, as of today, better than Rodgers.

I think your crazy Wist. Give those guys our WR's and they'd be throwing double the picks as Rodgers and about the same for TD's. n

[GB-Brandon]

But a lot of those struggles were on Rodgers.

If you looked at the all 22's, and endzone shots when they showed them, Rodgers would simply not look at guys who were wide open - and a lot of times if he did look at them, he wouldn't pull the trigger.

It is why I wasn't as down on Graham as most of you guys b/c he was actually open a lot, but Rodgers simply had tunnel vision for Adams, and we were punting on the next play.

Perhaps Gute and Lefluer looked at that repeatedly happening, couldn't get Rodgers to come around, and that is why they decided to reset??

I don't know of course... but on the surface what they are doing makes no sense without some underlying reason that we're unaware of.

It’s somewhat of a mystery. I will agree that Rodgers was up and down most of the season. There are times he looked really good and others where it was frustrating to watch. I don’t think that other then Adams that he had much confidence in these guys.

MVS for example. There was a game mid to late season. Can’t exactly remember but Scantling beat coverage and was streaking down field and Rodgers put the ball downfield right on him in which would of been an easy TD and Scantlng whiffed it. I’m pretty sure at that moment Rodgers was done with Scantling. Now we also saw Rodgers miss some throws that he normally makes too. Also, under extreme pressure in the cold in a playoff game he made some big time throws. As far as I’m concerned that’s still my guy. It’s not like Rodgers can’t make all the throws anymore. We all know what happened against the Niners.

I also think LaFluer and Rodgers were bumping heads a little and some of that was even seen during games.

Here is My bottom line with it all and why I’m so shocked. They went 13-3 in the first year of a brand new scheme. Even Bakh said recently that were all gonna play a little faster next year in the the 2nd year of the scheme. I expect a little improvement maybe in Lazard and some of the others but not earth shattering. Rodgers is tweeting and talking of excitement of possibly getting offensive firepower early in the draft. So with things not going perfectly optimal on offense but going into the second year of the scheme it makes perfect sense to me that the next step is getting the HOF QB some upgraded weapons. To me it’s just a no-brainer.

To me the next step isn’t going and trading up for a QB in round 1 and ignoring all receivers all draft long in one of best and deepest receiver classes of all time.

To me the next step isn’t bringing injury proned Devin Funches as your only upgrade.

There has to be some internal issue going on between Rodgers, Gute and LaFluer. I also think Gute is an ego freak. He has done everything pretty much in his power to jettison anything with Thompson’s name on it as soon as he could. He wants it to be “his team”

As i explained in another post I don’t belive the Packers brought in the right people when McCarthy and Thompson were let go.

[wist43]

I think your crazy Wist. Give those guys our WR's and they'd be throwing double the picks as Rodgers and about the same for TD's. n

I think too much was made of our lack of production being the fault of the receivers.

While I do believe we are sorely lacking for talent at WR, I dont put it all on them, Rodgers was a big part of the problem too.

I will c/p my post from above as explanation.

But a lot of those struggles were on Rodgers.

If you looked at the all 22's, and endzone shots when they showed them, Rodgers would simply not look at guys who were wide open - and a lot of times if he did look at them, he wouldn't pull the trigger.

It is why I wasn't as down on Graham as most of you guys b/c he was actually open a lot, but Rodgers simply had tunnel vision for Adams, and we were punting on the next play.

Perhaps Gute and Lefluer looked at that repeatedly happening, couldn't get Rodgers to come around, and that is why they decided to reset??

I don't know of course... but on the surface what they are doing makes no sense without some underlying reason that we're unaware of.

[mraynrand]

But a lot of those struggles were on Rodgers.

If you looked at the all 22's, and endzone shots when they showed them, Rodgers would simply not look at guys who were wide open - and a lot of times if he did look at them, he wouldn't pull the trigger.

It is why I wasn't as down on Graham as most of you guys b/c he was actually open a lot, but Rodgers simply had tunnel vision for Adams, and we were punting on the next play.

Perhaps Gute and Lefluer looked at that repeatedly happening, couldn't get Rodgers to come around, and that is why they decided to reset??

Maybe they're lighting a fire under his ass. And protecting themselves if it doesn't work. My best guess is that 1) they aren't deliberately trying to sabotage themselves. 2) they aren't complete morons and can actually coach and run an organization and 3) maybe aren't great, but have a clue and 4) since they brought in Flower, maybe they thought they should go all in and run his offense and 5) if Rodgers doesn't like it, he can get bent.

[wist43]

It’s somewhat of a mystery. I will agree that Rodgers was up and down most of the season. There are times he looked really good and others where it was frustrating to watch. I don’t think that other then Adams that he had much confidence in these guys.

MVS for example. There was a game mid to late season. Can’t exactly remember but Scantling beat coverage and was streaking down field and Rodgers put the ball downfield right on him in which would of been an easy TD and Scantlng whiffed it. I’m pretty sure at that moment Rodgers was done with Scantling. Now we also saw Rodgers miss some throws that he normally makes too. Also, under extreme pressure in the cold in a playoff game he made some big time throws. As far as I’m concerned that’s still my guy. It’s not like Rodgers can’t make all the throws anymore. We all know what happened against the Niners.

I also think LaFluer and Rodgers were bumping heads a little and some of that was even seen during games.

Here is My bottom line with it all and why I’m so shocked. They went 13-3 in the first year of a brand new scheme. Even Bakh said recently that were all gonna play a little faster next year in the the 2nd year of the scheme. I expect a little improvement maybe in Lazard and some of the others but not earth shattering. Rodgers is tweeting and talking of excitement of possibly getting offensive firepower early in the draft. So with things not going perfectly optimal on offense but going into the second year of the scheme it makes perfect sense to me that the next step is getting the HOF QB some upgraded weapons. To me it’s just a no-brainer.

To me the next step isn’t going and trading up for a QB in round 1 and ignoring all receivers all draft long in one of best and deepest receiver classes of all time.

To me the next step isn’t bringing injury proned Devin Funches as your only upgrade.

There has to be some internal issue going on between Rodgers, Gute and LaFluer. I also think Gute is an ego freak. He has done everything pretty much in his power to jettison anything with Thompson’s name on it as soon as he could. He wants it to be “his team”

As i explained in another post I don’t belive the Packers brought in the right people when McCarthy and Thompson were let go.

I was willing to wait and see on Gute and Lefluer... and I loved Gute's offseason last year.

This offseason is just mystifying to me though. This draft, even if some of these players pan out, is indefensible.

[wist43]

Maybe they're lighting a fire under his ass. And protecting themselves if it doesn't work. My best guess is that 1) they aren't deliberately trying to sabotage themselves. 2) they aren't complete morons and can actually coach and run an organization and 3) maybe aren't great, but have a clue and 4) since they brought in Flower, maybe they thought they should go all in and run his offense and 5) if Rodgers doesn't like it, he can get bent.

And all of that adds up to rebuilding.

[GB-Brandon]

I want Rodgers to demand a trade. I want him to go somewhere where he actually gets some of the things he has earned the right to have. I’d love to see what him and Belichick could do together in a situation that actually promotes all of his talents and allows him to flourish.

I am sick and tired of the Green Bay Packers organization cutting him off at the knees and yes it’s basically sabotage. Fuck LaFleur!! He is nowhere close to Rodgers greatness!!!

[George Cumby]

I think the team is in need of a name change.

The Green Bay Rodgers.

[call_me_ishmael]

Either is Murray, Stanford or Wentz. Lol

Stafford is really damn good and tough, just in a perpetually bad situation. Wentz is really damn good and absolutely better than Rodgers the past two years.

[GB-Brandon]

Let’s copy the Tennessee Titans. They are such the gold standard of success. There big offensive philosophy has produced so many championships.

It’s just Amazing!!!

[call_me_ishmael]

I want Rodgers to demand a trade. I want him to go somewhere where he actually gets some of the things he has earned the right to have. I’d love to see what him and Belichick could do together in a situation that actually promotes all of his talents and allows him to flourish.

I am sick and tired of the Green Bay Packers organization cutting him off at the knees and yes it’s basically sabotage. Fuck LaFleur!! He is nowhere close to Rodgers greatness!!!

Why would you want your best player to demand a trade? It kind of sounds like you're not much of a fan.