The Next Few Years - Rebuild Mode

[mraynrand]

Glad to see I took a couple days off and the usual suspects are having the same conversations.

I'm shocked, shocked to see senseless arguing on a sports forum!

[GB-Brandon]

Keep in mind, as well, that last spring San Fran had not yet become San Fran. Either they are building a dynasty or--more likely, I suspect--there is a huge amount of variation among top teams from one year to another. At the very least we need to recognize that every year is a different team, and very few teams manage to stay at the top year after year. Whiners could become the next 2012-14 Seahags, but the more likely scenario is that they become the 2016-17 Falcons or the 2018-19 Eagles: up one year, down the next.

San Fran became “San Fran” because of John Lynch. Look at his picks and free agency moves and trades. Look how he targeted players that brought extreme value while addressing needs.

He is not taking missed-steps backwards like blowing first round picks back to back with no immediate production. He is constantly loading that roster with elite talent all over the place.

That is not what’s happening here. We added a few pieces but nowhere near the warchest SF continues to maneuver and assemble.

They are winning the “Arms War” hands down.

[Bretsky]

I'm shocked, shocked to see senseless arguing on a sports forum!

What else do you do when there is no FB for months

We could argue about he Jordan Series....what else is there ?

[mraynrand]

Look how he targeted players that brought extreme value while addressing needs.

Sounds like the job description for a GM. I assume your measuring stick is championships.

[wist43]

you're not gonna figure it out are you?

We're importing power run blockers. It is the term being used to describe the type of players being used in Shanahan's zone scheme. It is not accurate from the standpoint of zone vs traditional trapping and pulling, but it is being used nonetheless.

Multiple backs being used at the same time, split out, H-back, I-formation, motion, with TE or 3 wides... that's where we're heading. Which is what I pointed out when they reached for Duhwho in the 3rd.

You certainly can't say Lefluer's template for OL matches fat Mikes, no?? Their both zone schemes... how about we call it "Ayn's Powned Scheme"??

Happy now??

Sheesh, get a bone to chew on dude!!

[wist43]

San Fran became “San Fran” because of John Lynch. Look at his picks and free agency moves and trades. Look how he targeted players that brought extreme value while addressing needs.

He is not taking missed-steps backwards like blowing first round picks back to back with no immediate production. He is constantly loading that roster with elite talent all over the place.

That is not what’s happening here. We added a few pieces but nowhere near the warchest SF continues to maneuver and assemble.

They are winning the “Arms War” hands down.

Amen to that.

[mraynrand]

We're importing power run blockers. It is the term being used to describe the type of players being used in Shanahan's zone scheme. It is not accurate from the standpoint of zone vs traditional trapping and pulling, but it is being used nonetheless.

Multiple backs being used at the same time, split out, H-back, I-formation, motion, with TE or 3 wides... that's where we're heading. Which is what I pointed out when they reached for Duhwho in the 3rd.

You certainly can't say Lefluer's template for OL matches fat Mikes, no??

The point is why should you be surprised they didn't go for the guys you all wanted when they're heading in a different direction. Why draft WRs to run Stubby's offense when you're not running that offense. It's pretty basic.

[Sparkey]

The point is why should you be surprised they didn't go for the guys you all wanted when they're heading in a different direction. Why draft WRs to run Stubby's offense when you're not running that offense. It's pretty basic.

And that's what is exciting about Green Bay. They started a transition to a new offensive philosophy and amazingly went 13-3 running a hodge podge of MM and LeFluer offenses. Year 2, Rodgers should be that much better and more of LeFluers offense should be installed.

[mraynrand]

And that's what is exciting about Green Bay. They started a transition to a new offensive philosophy and amazingly went 13-3 running a hodge podge of MM and LeFluer offenses. Year 2, Rodgers should be that much better and more of LeFluers offense should be installed.

And if Rodgers has full buy in, it should work really well. His incentive can be (at least) that it will extend his career. And maybe a little self assessment/honesty might tell him he can't be the EO guy anymore given obvious and ever-increasing physical limitations.

[wist43]

The point is why should you be surprised they didn't go for the guys you all wanted when they're heading in a different direction. Why draft WRs to run Stubby's offense when you're not running that offense. It's pretty basic.

Why did SF trade up to draft Aiyuk, when then run the very offense we're trying to emulate??

I had been up and down on Aiyuk and Reagor leading up to the draft, but by draft day I had settled in on Reagor, Aiyuk, Mims, and Blacklock in that order.

Max tried to argue that rookie WR take time to develop, and therefore wouldn't contribute much year 1, but that argument doesn't hold up when considered against 1) our stable of receivers, and 2) all of the innovative ways an OC could use talented athletes like that.

When I heard we traded up, I was hoping to hear Aiyuk or Mims.

As it is now... we're stuck with watching our 2020 1st round draft pick hold a clipboard for 2 years. Pretty sure both Aiyuk and Reagor will be more productive than that.

[pbmax]

I don’t understand how this is so hard to understand. The draft gives you a clear vision of “what their doing” or “attempting to do”. This was draft a QB and bunch of “Big Ass’s and Bigs legs” literally so there is your direction. Then look at LaFluer’s background and principles and I believe it is pretty obvious there re-building into that. You also don’t move up and draft QB’s in the first round to sit on the bench forever. I am so so sorry that this is so hard for you.

Call it a Re-tool, Re-build, Change of Philosophy or whatever you want. The fact is their moving towards players to play out LaFluers principals. The real question is how long will it take them to complete it. That should be the narrative moving forward . We’re just wasting our time with all this DENIAL.

The TE drafted is smaller than the TEs on the roster. Only his position is different. He's not carrying the ball.

Only the RB is bigger and we don't know how much he will be playing. Other than this guy, who is a RAS freak and therefore not much different than the typical Packer draft profile, where do you see a giant size increase? One of the OL drafted seems larger than normal.

[pbmax]

So according to max, we have no identity, we are not transitioning to anything, Rodgers is a happy camper, and the team is improved and steaming toward a championship??

Got it

No, no. I don't think Rodgers is necessarily happy. That remains to be seen. He hasn't be Hamlet-ing his retirement, but there is a lot of time between now and a September camp.

As for identity, you saw this offense last year. Its a TE plus an Hback and one tailback. Stormbringer was out there with Lewis or Graham for it.

[pbmax]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...us-play-action

Good point about two backs. Forgot about that.

[pbmax]

Glad to see I took a couple days off and the usual suspects are having the same conversations.

[pbmax]

I'm shocked, shocked to see senseless arguing on a sports forum!

Gentleman, we can't have fighting, this is the War Room!