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    Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

    The more conspiratorial minded PackerRats have convinced themselves that Gute is throwing in the towel on the Rodgers era.

    Faced with the difficulty of moving on from a superstar QB, that he has decided, apparently within the last 3-4 months, to hang Rodgers out to dry, draft for the future and hope he gets the message before next offseason so they can get to the "real" plan sooner rather than later.

    You can tell they desperately want you to believe this fiction because they repeat it during everyday conversations when you might think the subject is more mundane:

    Message Board The Broncos traded up, they aren't rebuilding like the Packers are.

    Take Out I'll take the #25 chicken, 1 pint of rice plus 2 orders of Crab Rangoon and by the way, how do you feel the Packers rebuild is going so far?

    Family Chat Mom, Dad, everyone here is fine. Glad to know you are too. How does Dad feel about the Packers rebuilding?
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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  • #2
    Wait, so what is the REAL plan, PB?
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    • #3
      Loved the teaser on the rebuild thread, but was not expecting this to be the lead on the new thread.
      All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

      George Orwell

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      • #4
        The best time to stock up on TP is when the stores are full of choices, not when there is a run on TP and you got nothing on the roll at home.
        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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        • #5
          Your post confuses me and I miss the point.

          I think Jordan Love has talent but I'm a value guy and IMO it was too years early and unless he turns into an All Pro we got terrible value

          If the second round pick isn't a good insurance policy for Jones leaving Gutebag clearly does not subscribe to the BPA theory, or the BPA with need theory, OR his draft board is alien to many of the boards of the best teams in the NFL who were drafting behind him

          The third round pick, Holy Shit. I'm not sure you'll find a defense of that one unless you feel we are drafting a guy too early cause he fits a future system.

          We have no fourth round pick; and that's ok at this point.

          We should trade round 5 for as many sixths as we can, and just stockpile what we hit on the dart board and hope something sticks
          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
            Your post confuses me and I miss the point.
            me too. I get the conspiracy rebuild part. But what is the ACTUAL plan. I think I know, but want to know what PB thinks it is.
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
              Your post confuses me and I miss the point.

              I think Jordan Love has talent but I'm a value guy and IMO it was too years early and unless he turns into an All Pro we got terrible value

              If the second round pick isn't a good insurance policy for Jones leaving Gutebag clearly does not subscribe to the BPA theory, or the BPA with need theory, OR his draft board is alien to many of the boards of the best teams in the NFL who were drafting behind him

              The third round pick, Holy Shit. I'm not sure you'll find a defense of that one unless you feel we are drafting a guy too early cause he fits a future system.

              We have no fourth round pick; and that's ok at this point.

              We should trade round 5 for as many sixths as we can, and just stockpile what we hit on the dart board and hope something sticks
              Whether they took Love or not, I would have been shocked if Rodgers played more than two more seasons with the Packers.

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              • #8
                Why is this a fiction:

                1. The Packers front office moved on from a popular, successful coach who perhaps had worn out his welcome by not exactly helping him during the 2018 off season. Thinking they don't have the stomach for a fight with the QB seems like a stretch, especially with a new and restructured regime in charge. The faster that regime gets is players in place, the more time they have to tweak and perfect it. Releasing or trading the QB in '21 or '22 will be 3 or 4 years into Gutekunst's term. If he doesn't have results by then and is in the middle of a rebuild, he is in trouble contract wise. That is a risky bet. Same with the coach.

                2. Any rebuild is helped by acquiring assets. The Packers assets acquired during this period include possibly 3 comp picks for 2021 which followed a year they received none because they spent a boatload in FA). If they wanted to rebuild, they would be trading players for picks, not signing FAs. That includes 2 significant though not game changing FAs this offseason.

                3. La Fleur's offense works best with athletic lineman not Derrick Henry. This offense turns 6th round RBs into stars with the right O line. You don't need a fast bowling ball in Round 3 more than you need a better Guard than Turner and a better Tackle than Wagner or Veldheer.

                4. Rodgers extension means that assets from trading him won't be realized be realized until next year at the earliest and his cap hit will be highest. Drafting talent and then spending money puts the rebuild out even further, jeopardizing Gutekunst's chances of a new deal.

                5. Torpedoing Rodgers doesn't help your defense which you will want to be good to help a young QB.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                  Wait, so what is the REAL plan, PB?
                  Hang on, the manifesto is a work in progress!
                  Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                  • #10
                    So what is the real plan?

                    1. The Packers were 13-3 last year. That ain't bad. You might believe you are the shit if you engineered that in Year 2 with a new coach.

                    2. There is reason for optimism on offense as you get everyone back but Allison and Bulaga and BB has been effectively replaced. It'll be Year 2 in the scheme and you can easily see another Top 10 finish. Graham hopefully is addition by subtraction if Stormbringer can actually play.

                    3. You believe you have upgraded ILB and with a little luck, that will play dividends against the 49ers and shore up the biggest weakness.

                    4. You think you can help the coach's offense in the draft by getting him something specific for his offense.

                    5. With the Smiths on Year 2 of this defense and now three games against them, Pettine will come up with a straightforward plan for the 49ers.

                    6. Kirksey and Savage hold the keys for a better middle of the defense.

                    7. You have somehow convinced yourself, or been convinced by coaches, that Lowry and Lancaster are good enough. Or that Adams is ready.

                    8. Encyclopdia St. Brown will be the starter opposite Adams and MVS will return to 2018 and early 2019 form.

                    9. By not breaking the bank now, you will have cash and cap going forward to sign the important future free agents (Clark, Bach, King, Jones)
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #11
                      Given those 9 assumptions, I think the likelier scenario is that Gute does not think last year was a fluke.

                      He thinks they are ready to contend again. The Bears have 18 TEs, the Vikings will be very new and young on D and are missing Diggs and have Cousins as QB and the Lions are the Lions.

                      The 49ers are formidable but are beatable.

                      Gute could think he can ride a 13-3 season and a first year head coach to a slow rebuild that might take him to Year 5 as GM. But I don't think he is that bold.

                      I think he is Ted's guy who trusts the board (perhaps a little beyond what caution might suggest) plus a little FA.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                        Given those 9 assumptions, I think the likelier scenario is that Gute does not think last year was a fluke.

                        He thinks they are ready to contend again. The Bears have 18 TEs, the Vikings will be very new and young on D and are missing Diggs and hav Cousins as QB and the Lions are the Lions.

                        The 49ers are formidable but are beatable.

                        Gute could think he can ride a 13-3 season and a first year head coach to a slow rebuild that might take him to Year 5 as GM. But I don't think he is that bold.

                        I think he is Ted's guy who trusts the board (perhaps a little beyond what caution might suggest) plus a little FA.
                        Ok, maybe, but I still have not seen a plausible explanation of why they took the round 2 and 3 picks? They certainly don't need them, and the value was horrendous.

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                        • #13
                          Gute thinks everything is fine and you need to remain calm. This does betray an unwillingness to go all in, sacrifice the future and behave very Lions-ish to try to score a title with Rodgers as QB. But I am not sure the Pacers are, as an organization, built to be run like that.

                          This isn't a rebuild. This is how they work. If Love is very good, it'll probably work again. But it probably doesn't get Rodgers ring #2.
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oldbutnotdeadyet View Post
                            Ok, maybe, but I still have not seen a plausible explanation of why they took the round 2 and 3 picks? They certainly don't need them, and the value was horrendous.
                            Board told them to take them, especially the RB. They needed a RB with more juice than Jamaal Williams and to hedge against Jones being hurt or lost to FA. During the Derrick Henry breakout year under The Flower, Dion Lewis still got 155 carries. He likes to share the load. And Williams has never been a natural one cut back.

                            The Flower wanted an H back, that was reported a week or two ago which helps run/pass flexibility

                            Without a 4th round pick, they probably took at least one a round earlier than planned. I can see each helping his offense this year though.

                            More of a question to me, and why I think this plan is doomed for disappointment, is that I think he has fundamentally misjudged his defense.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #15
                              Gute also took a punter in the 5th round and a long snapper in the 7tb two years ago.

                              Gute will take specialized guys higher than TT ever would.

                              The specialized zone runner and flexible FB/TE body seem like luxury picks. But we shall see. That's high capital for guys who aren't all around ball players at their position
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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