Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

[pbmax]

Yet Seattle came within 6 inches of making SF a wildcard team and we proceeded to dismantle Seattle the previous week. We had to play SF IN SF both times. We also don't really match up to them very good. Shannahan is a great coach. And Rodgers and the offense took the first half off that playoff game. Rodgers threw 2 picks and lost a fumble he looked disinterested in recovering. In falling behind 17-0 we went 5 and out 5 and out 3 and out and 6 and fumble the snap. They played a stinker in a big playoff game again. Flower was outcoached, the D played poorly and Rodgers was awful. The D held them to another FG and what did Rodgers do? Pick.

Its a team game. Rodgers can't carry a team. No QB really can. You say every chip fell into place, yet in the Playoffs we beat everyone but the 49ers. The team is solid because TT left us with some talent and Gutes spent the money TT left us with. The team will be bad real soon cuz Rodgers is getting older and Gutes drafts like old people fuck.

This is my hope for this season but also my worry about the future.

[Bossman641]

Gute is making specialty picks at a time when we don't have the luxury of making specialty picks. Regardless of how good these guys are, they're not "value" picks. A qb on a rookie deal is the biggest value in football....we picked Love but have no way to extract that value. The entire Nfl has shown you can find rb's late...so we waste a second round pick on one.

Gute went to the grocery store to get dinner and came home with condiments but neglected to get an entree.

[pbmax]

I disagree. I think Williams is actually a better one cut back than Jones.

Allow me to rephrase then, Williams is not a very productive runner, regardless of his one cut skills. He is a classic get what's there back. Not explosive.

[bobblehead]

Ted tried to fix the defense by drafting outside in. DB after DB wasted early in drafts instead of building a solid D line. we seem to always have 1 guy and a bunch of meh lineman who can't stop the run....just like it is today.

Was it teds fault MM hated Randall and wouldn't use him at safety? Was it all on Ted that MM let Josh Jones believe he was a backfield safety? Letting Hyde and Hayward walk was on Ted. HaHa wasn't great, but every rat loved that pick. And he is a 6? year starter at this point. Not a exactly a flop. Ted messed up 2 second round picks, Josh Jones and Quentin Rollins. And I maintain Jones was more on MM. TTs drafts are dreams compared to gutes. Total DBs taken within top 3 rounds: Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Pat Lee, Morgan Burnett, Casey Hayward, Ha Ha, Randall, Rollins, King and Jones. 1 HOF cut short by neck, 5 more long term starters in the league, 3 1/2 flops. I think 6-3.5 is a pretty good record. Lets look at Gutes so far. Alexander will be long term starter, Jackson is done after this next camp. I hope savage is worth all the draft capital we gave up, but I see a Randall clone so far.
S
His last draft netted King, AJones, JWilliams, and Mt. Adams. Adams is make or break and likely break, but a stud CB a stud RB and a serviceable RB isn't a bad draft. If you expect more than 2 really good starters and a serviceable role player in any given draft you probably will be disappointed....especially always drafting in the back of the round.

[pbmax]

If I am not mistaken, the way the Reggie/Favre Packers got past the Cowboys was to not play them in the 1996 playoffs.

[mraynrand]

Was it teds fault MM hated Randall and wouldn't use him at safety? Was it all on Ted that MM let Josh Jones believe he was a backfield safety? Letting Hyde and Hayward walk was on Ted. HaHa wasn't great, but every rat loved that pick. And he is a 6? year starter at this point. Not a exactly a flop. Ted messed up 2 second round picks, Josh Jones and Quentin Rollins. And I maintain Jones was more on MM. TTs drafts are dreams compared to gutes. Total DBs taken within top 3 rounds: Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Pat Lee, Morgan Burnett, Casey Hayward, Ha Ha, Randall, Rollins, King and Jones. 1 HOF cut short by neck, 5 more long term starters in the league, 3 1/2 flops. I think 6-3.5 is a pretty good record. Lets look at Gutes so far. Alexander will be long term starter, Jackson is done after this next camp. I hope savage is worth all the draft capital we gave up, but I see a Randall clone so far.
S
His last draft netted King, AJones, JWilliams, and Mt. Adams. Adams is make or break and likely break, but a stud CB a stud RB and a serviceable RB isn't a bad draft. If you expect more than 2 really good starters and a serviceable role player in any given draft you probably will be disappointed....especially always drafting in the back of the round.

Good post. I only disagree about Savage. I think his injury really derailed his progress/season.

[SMBASS]

Evidently the Packers are a lot higher on Love than I am. Drafting him, (A future QB.) next year would have made a lot more sense than this year in context with Rodger's contract but maybe the reasonable possibility of the season being cancelled this year screwed that idea up? Maybe they didn't see any QB coming out next year who they thought would be better than Love and they'd have a legitimate shot at? If the college season is also cancelled next year's draft with no football in-between could be a complete crap shoot. I'm not even sure how that would work at this point.

[bobblehead]

Ready to play QBs on their rookie deals are nice too. Lately a few Owls are going that way too.

Actually not as many as you think. Goff lost. I don't think Foles was a rookie. Wison got one, maybe Flacco was rookie deal too. Eli in first one?

[SMBASS]

His last draft netted King, AJones, JWilliams, and Mt. Adams. Adams is make or break and likely break, but a stud CB a stud RB and a serviceable RB isn't a bad draft. If you expect more than 2 really good starters and a serviceable role player in any given draft you probably will be disappointed....especially always drafting in the back of the round.

Not sure that I would consider King a stub CB by any stretch based on his injury history and inconsistent play. Decent...okay, stud...the jury is still out.

[George Cumby]

Gute is making specialty picks at a time when we don't have the luxury of making specialty picks. Regardless of how good these guys are, they're not "value" picks. A qb on a rookie deal is the biggest value in football....we picked Love but have no way to extract that value. The entire Nfl has shown you can find rb's late...so we waste a second round pick on one.

Gute went to the grocery store to get dinner and came home with condiments but neglected to get an entree.

Poetry.

[bobblehead]

Nit pick how you want; I just have one word as a response

Championships

But you are arguing we are wasting Rodgers. I am saying getting a ring just cuz you have Rodgers isn't as easy as some seem to think. OMG they wasted: Marino, Peyton, Brees, Rivers, Steve Young, Russell Wilson, Brett Favre, Joe Theisman, Johnny U, Namath, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton. In history ONLY Brady, Montana, Aikman, and Bradshaw were not wasted. Any other to win 2 Owls or more either did it with different teams, or were not nearly as good QB's as others I listed. Of those not "wasted" I think all 4 strangely and coincidentally had dominant run games and dominant Ds. Brady never had very good WR talent. Montana had #1 D almost every year. Aikman had Emmit and that line. Bradshaw had Franco and that D. Not a single one put up prolific passing numbers with any consistency.

[mraynrand]

Gute is making specialty picks at a time when we don't have the luxury of making specialty picks. Regardless of how good these guys are, they're not "value" picks. A qb on a rookie deal is the biggest value in football....we picked Love but have no way to extract that value. The entire Nfl has shown you can find rb's late...so we waste a second round pick on one.

Gute went to the grocery store to get dinner and came home with condiments but neglected to get an entree.

1) Who cares so much about 'value' if the picks fit your team and actually perform?
2) Gute actually went to and bought a fresh entree from a new restaurant but the wife re-heated the excellent lasagne from last week.

[Smidgeon]

Well, most defenses play the Packers offense by making the run game beat them. With Rodgers as the QB, wouldn't you too? Perhaps the front office/coaching staff truly believes the missing piece is a consistent run game (two RB starting talents instead of just one). Aaron Jones has shown he's a swiss army knife. They can wheel route him or send him out wide. And he can catch. And run. Now keep him healthy by giving him a bulldozer to spell him (who also has pretty good speed). Now defenses have to pay attention to the running game or risk getting their defense worn out in the 4th quarter (or sooner) because of time of possession. And paying even a little more attention to the run game makes Rodgers even better. They need another WR. But maybe Stormbringer is that good. Maybe Dagger is too. They both "know how to catch the ball".

I still think they need another WR. I would be disappointed if in a class where you "can get a starting WR in the 5th round" the Packers walk away without getting one at all. If that happens, the draft probably fell wrong in every single round (Aiyuk in 1st, Mims in 2nd, Duverney in 3rd, etc), and that happens sometimes (TT had a couple where the players I watched all were drafted 2-3 spots before the Packers--don't remember how those classes turned out, but I was disheartened watching the draft), but I want to see at least one pass catcher in this historical draft of pass catchers.

[bobblehead]

Good post. I only disagree about Savage. I think his injury really derailed his progress/season.

I hope you are right. And its not fair to grade him after only a rookie year anyway. I have hope for Savage, Jenkins, Alexander. The rest...meh.

[bobblehead]

His last draft netted King, AJones, JWilliams, and Mt. Adams. Adams is make or break and likely break, but a stud CB a stud RB and a serviceable RB isn't a bad draft. If you expect more than 2 really good starters and a serviceable role player in any given draft you probably will be disappointed....especially always drafting in the back of the round.

Not sure that I would consider King a stub CB by any stretch based on his injury history and inconsistent play. Decent...okay, stud...the jury is still out.

He consistently matches up with the big fast WR that Alexander can't cover. And last year I noticed how often I saw Alexander make plays (which I'm happy about) because the QB was choosing to throw at him instead of King (which I'm happier about).