Gutekunst's 2020 Plan Revealed

[Bretsky]

There's much speculation on what ranking a prospect has. If you look at "experts" opinions for the top ten at any position group, the opinions of different "experts" vary widely.

The only "expert" that mattered in this case was the one that was doing the selecting. My guess, based on whom our GM chose, is that Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Jefferson, and Mims were not given 1st round grades. That is not to say that they weren't better than some of our present roster, even in his opinion. What it says is that Love was a better pick than those WRs in the opinion of the GM. He thought that was a better value pick. Love had a better grade, probably substantially better, on his board.

It's possible that after Shenault or Hamler was taken, he didn't feel that there was a WR he could take that would be substantially better than the 3rd WR on our roster. If that's the case, there was no reason to use a later round pick to move up and select a WR. Certainly not if he's trying to improve the offense in the short term.

The argument you can make is that, in your opinion, Jefferson or Mims was worth moving up. They are substantially better than Lazard or Funchess. Better even than the new RB that will be splitting carries with Jones.

That isn't what the GM thought and he picked the RB.

Not going to argue your logic on point one. My "guess" is Love had a 1st round grade and we picked about where he should have. But if Gutebag valued Love as having a 1st and 4th round value to me that's out there.

Regarding not valuing the picks as being better than our 3rd, WR, well time will tell I'd say that's gross incompetence and they were better than our number 2.

I have less and less faith in Gutebag's ability to run a draft. Ditto for last year. Thank God he spends money in free agency !!!!!!!!

[Bretsky]

Why do I have to do all the math here

Work it out for yourself: https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...pick-value.php

Casue I've never used the chart !! ))))

Looks like a 5th and 7th.

[GB-Brandon]

What was the San Fran trade exactly? Anyone remember?

Their trade was “urgency, urgency, urgency” and “Let’s win as many Super Bowls while we have all these pieces in place”

[Willard]

SF gave MN picks 31, 117 and 176 to move up to 25–where they took Aiyuk.
GB gave MIA picks 30 and 137(?) to move up to 26–where they found Twu Wuv.

[Zool]

I would argue that claiming we have resolved all of the weaknesses that prohibited us from being an alite team last year is idoicy; and I'm the reality Tex, I'm the realty )))))

Reality is, you have no say over who gets drafted and you have no idea how they rank players.

[Bretsky]

Reality is, you have no say over who gets drafted and you have no idea how they rank players.

Reality is that is why this is a form where posters should be encouraged to express their thoughts and debate . And that is why we're here sunshine

[texaspackerbacker]

I would argue that claiming we have resolved all of the weaknesses that prohibited us from being an alite team last year is idoicy; and I'm the reality Tex, I'm the realty )))))

You don't consider 13-3 or 14-4 "elite"? How many teams were more "elite" by the most objective standard, record? The answer must be two since we drafted 30th. I was as pissed off as anybody with the draft. In the short term at least, we may not have improved things much or at all. I also doubt anybody below us clearly passed us up. Despite all the idiotic crap from panicky fools in here, we still have the GOAT QB, and despite a lot of crap being spewed, there is no clear evidence he is significantly less than he has always been. That fact alone puts us on the doorstep of the top. We will need decent Luck injury-wise and other ways again, but "reality" is that there's no reason for things to be worse than last season and some chance things will actually get better.

[pbmax]

SF gave MN picks 31, 117 and 176 to move up to 25–where they took Aiyuk.
GB gave MIA picks 30 and 137(?) to move up to 26–where they found Twu Wuv.

Answer:
A is 49ers, B is Dolphins

Trade Totals
Trader A Gives Value: 682
Trader B Gives Value: 720

Gain/Loss %
Trader A: +5.57%
Trader B: -5.28%


Answer:
A is Packers
B is Dolphins

Trade Totals
Trader A Gives Value: 657.5
Trader B Gives Value: 700

Gain/Loss %
Trader A: +6.46%
Trader B: -6.07%

Packers wouldn't trade with Vikes, so it would have to have been the Saints or Patriots.

[GB-Brandon]

You don't consider 13-3 or 14-4 "elite"? How many teams were more "elite" by the most objective standard, record? The answer must be two since we drafted 30th. I was as pissed off as anybody with the draft. In the short term at least, we may not have improved things much or at all. I also doubt anybody below us clearly passed us up. Despite all the idiotic crap from panicky fools in here, we still have the GOAT QB, and despite a lot of crap being spewed, there is no clear evidence he is significantly less than he has always been. That fact alone puts us on the doorstep of the top. We will need decent Luck injury-wise and other ways again, but "reality" is that there's no reason for things to be worse than last season and some chance things will actually get better.

Do you? I’m not so sure of that. I suppose until June or so you do. Nope, that ship has sailed. I don’t think Green Bay will ever really have him again. Way Way too much damage done there. I’m not sure that is repairable at this point.

[Zool]

Reality is that is why this is a form where posters should be encouraged to express their thoughts and debate . And that is why we're here sunshine

When the horse is dead, it’s dead.

[pbmax]

Aaron Nagler @AaronNagler
In the last year Gutekunst has:
Tried to trade for Robby Anderson
Tried to sign Emmanuel Sanders
Tried to trade up for a WR in the 2nd round

Pretty clear he would love to augment the talent at that position but refuses to overpay.

ALSO SIGNED A FA (FUNCHISE) AND THE CANADIAN LEAGUE PLAYER.

We also have Peter King's comment that they liked receivers in each of the first two rounds. But he ported Gute as saying they could not find a trade partner in the second. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...-second-round/

Also another report from King that someone was trying to trade up for a QB.

Zach Kruse @zachkruse2
Also, @peter_king wrote the Packers had "significant intel" that a team picking in the early second round was going to trade up for Jordan Love, so they did it first


I THINK YOU PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER AND YOU GET A PICTURE NOT UNLIKE ILB OR SAFETIES (NON SAVAGE YEARS). ITS NOT A POSITION THAT WILL PAY A PREMIUM FOR.

SO IS THIS NOW THE FLOWERS OFFENSE? I DON'T THINK MUCH CHANGES. STORMBRINGER WAS AN H BACK LAST YEAR, DAGUERREOTYPE COULD BE THIS YEAR.

IT COULD ALL STILL BLOW UP, BUT I DOUBT THE OFFENSE IS MUCH CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR. MAYBE IF DAGUERREOTYPE BLOWS UP CAMP YOU WILL SEE DECIDEDLY MORE 2 TE. BUT THAT IS ABOUT IT.

[beveaux1]

Article by Schwab that the Packers called the Vikings to trade up and get Love. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers...154834971.html

Probably just as likely that they tried to trade with Vikings to get Aiyuk. I doubt that they told the Vikings why they wanted to trade up.

[GB-Brandon]

Aaron Nagler @AaronNagler
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2h
In the last year Gutekunst has:
Tried to trade for Robby Anderson
Tried to sign Emmanuel Sanders
Tried to trade up for a WR in the 2nd round

Pretty clear he would love to augment the talent at that position but refuses to overpay.

ALSO SIGNED A FA (FUNCHISE) AND THE CANADIAN LEAGUE PLAYER.

We also have Peter King's comment that they liked receivers in each of the first two rounds. But he ported Gute as saying they could not find a trade partner in the second. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...-second-round/

Also another report from King that someone was trying to trade up for a QB.

Zach Kruse @zachkruse2
Also, @peter_king wrote the Packers had "significant intel" that a team picking in the early second round was going to trade up for Jordan Love, so they did it first


I THINK YOU PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER AND YOU GET A PICTURE NOT UNLIKE ILB OR SAFETIES (NON SAVAGE YEARS). ITS NOT A POSITION THAT WILL PAY A PREMIUM FOR.

SO IS THIS NOW THE FLOWERS OFFENSE? I DON'T THINK MUCH CHANGES. STORMBRINGER WAS AN H BACK LAST YEAR, DAGUERREOTYPE COULD BE THIS YEAR.

IT COULD ALL STILL BLOW UP, BUT I DOUBT THE OFFENSE IS MUCH CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR. MAYBE IF DAGUERREOTYPE BLOWS UP CAMP YOU WILL SEE DECIDEDLY MORE 2 TE. BUT THAT IS ABOUT IT.

It will be interesting to see what Tee Higgins and Denzel Mims or maybe even Pittman do over the next couple of years.

I also believed there were many upgrades in the middle rounds and even late rounds that could of helped us.

To have ten picks and come away with “ZERO” is unacceptable.

Gute shouldn’t even have a job right now after this disaster.

[beveaux1]

Remember, the Vikings traded their #25 pick in the 1st round to the 49ers.

[pbmax]

Article by Schwab that the Packers called the Vikings to trade up and get Love. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers...154834971.html

Probably just as likely that they tried to trade with Vikings to get Aiyuk. I doubt that they told the Vikings why they wanted to trade up.

There is a problem with this report, how do we know its not about another player? Teams don't always share the target of the trade, especially with a rival.