2020 Wide Receivers

[GB-Brandon]

The shit just keeps getting deeper and deeper in here. By far the most obvious thing is that Rodgers plays all four remaining years of his contract and excels - as always - doing so. Then after the four years, the Packers find themselves with the same tough decision they had with Favre and Rodgers. Maybe they were stupid in drafting Love; Maybe they just genuinely think lightning can strike twice. Anyway, all this talk about Rodgers leaving one way or the other sooner is idiotic. If he's playing super, why would he be dumped in a trade? If he's diminished, then we likely couldn't get a huge amount in a trade anyway, so why bother?

My guess is that at the end of the four years, we re-up Rodgers for a couple more years and pay a fairly significant amount to retain Love also, assuming he has developed the way it seems he is capable of by watching the GOAT. All it would take is sacrificing one mid-level player at some other position to do that.

And from you I would expect nothing less then this “Fairy Tale Ending.”

Obviously this would be amazing but everything would have to go just right for it too happen.

Anything is possible. Jordan Love could suffer a catastrophic injury in camp or Rodgers could suffer one in a game. Rodgers could go off this year like he did during “Run The Table” and win the whole thing. Yes, these things could happen but if your looking through a “Clear Lens” I think it’s pretty easy to see that the probabilities are greater that Rodgers career in Green Bay will be over sooner rather then later.

[texaspackerbacker]

That's not a "fairy tale ending". It's just the continuation of a trend - either the same level of excellence we have always seen or maybe a very slight downturn with age. Why would anybody, even you, Brandon, expect Rodgers not to play at top level at least as long as Brady, longer than Brees? And Brady just got noticeably worse the last season or so, arguably because he had less talent around him - something that has been Rodgers' life story.

[GB-Brandon]

So getting back to the topic of "The State Of The Wide Receiver Position" which directly affects all this and this season which i believe will paint the picture for the following years to come in regards to Aaron Rodgers. This whole thing is at a giant crossroad and has really become a "Year to Year Decision" at this point. I've heard some Packer Podcast Pundits(Not Gonna Name Names) talking about "How the receiver position isn't all that important" for the Packers and it's just a bunch of BULLSHIT!

Are we building a team to beat our fucken defense? Just because the Packers run some Mickey Mouse Scheme doesn't mean the rest of the league does. Talk about ignorance. Yeah, the Niners slapped there dirty parts all over the Packers faces and now we wanna do it. Give me a break. There are teams that can and will stop the run. Were not building the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson here. At some point some of our guys(other then Adams) are gonna have to win consistently for the Packers to have a chance. There is no two ways about it.

So with this being the case if these 60-1 longs shots don't work out then essentially Gute is just throwing salt in the wound of AR12. This will not be a pretty site if this becomes the case. You can take that to the bank.

[GB-Brandon]

That's not a "fairy tale ending". It's just the continuation of a trend - either the same level of excellence we have always seen or maybe a very slight downturn with age. Why would anybody, even you, Brandon, expect Rodgers not to play at top level at least as long as Brady, longer than Brees? And Brady just got noticeably worse the last season or so, arguably because he had less talent around him - something that has been Rodgers' life story.

I am going with what Aaron Rodgers has said which is "This Is A Situation Beyond My Control" which is the truth all the way around. He has ultimate urgency to win now. I expect him to pivot in whatever direction he needs too that puts him in the best situation to do that whether its the Packers or someone else at this point.

If He can get an opportunity to have a situation with weapons all around him and a serviceable defense with the right offensive mind he would bolt in a hear beat IMO. The Packers aren't winning this thing in the "Loyalty Department". In fact, there being kinda assholes about it.

[GB-Brandon]

This isn't a situation where Rodgers has been threatening to retire every off season or whining that he needs more money. He has never been in any trouble. The guy talks about playing into his 40's and is always trying to get better. He does everything he can to take care of his body.

This is what I said it was which is an Egomaniac(Gute) making some huge power play so he can look like some Genius at the cost of a Super Bowl Run. He used a 1st and a 4th round pick to buy which is probably a bag of fucken rocks after he wasted the 12th pick of draft buying a bag of rocks last year. Rodgers should be furious and I give him credit for handling it well as he does.

[texaspackerbacker]

I am going with what Aaron Rodgers has said which is "This Is A Situation Beyond My Control" which is the truth all the way around. He has ultimate urgency to win now. I expect him to pivot in whatever direction he needs too that puts him in the best situation to do that whether its the Packers or someone else at this point.

If He can get an opportunity to have a situation with weapons all around him and a serviceable defense with the right offensive mind he would bolt in a hear beat IMO. The Packers aren't winning this thing in the "Loyalty Department". In fact, there being kinda assholes about it.

Well yeah, he undoubtedly does see "ultimate urgency" to winning now, and yeah, the latest draft and a helluva lot that has been done earlier haven't made his job any easier. Where I differ from you, though, Brandon, is I expect him to pull it off. Why? Because he has generally been winning under those moderately adverse conditions pretty much forever (thanks, Ted).

There's a lot of whining in here that we have only won one Super Bowl with Rodgers as QB. The other side of that coin, though, is that unlike some feast or famine teams (a situation which I would absolutely hate for the Packers to be), the Packers have been consistently very near the top. While I'd love for us to win it all, I'm very pleased that my team has been so good for so long.

Hopefully the philosophy driving our team will continue to be that same "winning is normalcy" thing.

[GB-Brandon]

Well yeah, he undoubtedly does see "ultimate urgency" to winning now, and yeah, the latest draft and a helluva lot that has been done earlier haven't made his job any easier. Where I differ from you, though, Brandon, is I expect him to pull it off. Why? Because he has generally been winning under those moderately adverse conditions pretty much forever (thanks, Ted).

There's a lot of whining in here that we have only won one Super Bowl with Rodgers as QB. The other side of that coin, though, is that unlike some feast or famine teams (a situation which I would absolutely hate for the Packers to be), the Packers have been consistently very near the top. While I'd love for us to win it all, I'm very pleased that my team has been so good for so long.

Hopefully the philosophy driving our team will continue to be that same "winning is normalcy" thing.

Well to me it seems like an attempt to take 2 steps back in an attempt to then eventually take 3 forward. Once again I think this equation has more to do with Jordan Love succeeding then Aaron Rodgers. You and I can want Rodgers in Green and Gold all we want and Rodgers can as well for that matter. If Gute isn’t on that train(which I believe he isn’t) then Rodgers days in GB are numbered.

Once again I follow the moves and what people do. Not necessarily what they say and Gute has done next to zero to improve the offensive firepower other then furthering the development of LaFleurs power run scheme which actually patterns to what Jordan Love has a chance to do for a lot less $.

Whether it works or not and Green Bay maintains its “Winning Ways” is another whole discussion.

[Joemailman]

The shit just keeps getting deeper and deeper in here. By far the most obvious thing is that Rodgers plays all four remaining years of his contract and excels - as always - doing so. Then after the four years, the Packers find themselves with the same tough decision they had with Favre and Rodgers. Maybe they were stupid in drafting Love; Maybe they just genuinely think lightning can strike twice. Anyway, all this talk about Rodgers leaving one way or the other sooner is idiotic. If he's playing super, why would he be dumped in a trade? If he's diminished, then we likely couldn't get a huge amount in a trade anyway, so why bother?

My guess is that at the end of the four years, we re-up Rodgers for a couple more years and pay a fairly significant amount to retain Love also, assuming he has developed the way it seems he is capable of by watching the GOAT. All it would take is sacrificing one mid-level player at some other position to do that.

There is no way in hell Jordan Love is going to want to sit and watch Aaron Rodgers for 6 years, unless it becomes obvious he is not starter material. My guess is that following the 2021 season the Packers will decide whether Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love gives then the best chance at winning a Superb Owl and keep that guy.

[RashanGary]

There is no way in hell Jordan Love is going to want to sit and watch Aaron Rodgers for 6 years, unless it becomes obvious he is not starter material. My guess is that following the 2021 season the Packers will decide whether Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love gives then the best chance at winning a Superb Owl and keep that guy.

IF love shows he's the real deal, a trade after the 2021 season is very possible. Whoever gets Rodgers would have a 2 year contract 25M per season. Very friendly for what I expect him to be at ages 38 and 39. Could even get a first round pick from a team thats a QB away.

[texaspackerbacker]

That "an attempt to take 2 steps back in an attempt to then eventually take 3 forward" is exactly what the Packers haven't done in at least 3 decades and what I would absolutely HATE for them to do. That's the "feast or famine" thing I mentioned in the other post. Spare us from that shit!

The Packers have remained near the top all through both the Favre and Rodgers years. Arguably, the supporting cast now is better than it has been through most of those years. I will Gutekunst credit for being better than Ted in that respect even though I don't like the recent draft. That is what maybe is relevant to this WR thread.

You're wrong, therefore. This discussion is more about Rodgers than Love, because it has to do with maintaining that "Winning Way" - which to most people is the most important thing - Win Now! ...... and then next year, Win Now again, and the year after that, Win Now again - do you see a trend there?

[RashanGary]

Next year is a huge Window year for Rodgers in Green Bay. Our most likely year at a SB in my opinion.

Should be able to keep the whole band together. Maybe Lindsley is replaced by Patrick and company, which to me is fine....

Adams Jones Lazard Sternberger in their primes. Maybe EQ too and the one trick pony MVS.

Dillon and Deguara at ages and stages to help

Veteran defense that's played together....

That's the big year in my opinion. This year there's a chance too!

Rodgers is going to make it really tough. He's gonna be the best 36 and 37 year old.QB to ever play I bet.

[texaspackerbacker]

IF love shows he's the real deal, a trade after the 2021 season is very possible. Whoever gets Rodgers would have a 2 year contract 25M per season. Very friendly for what I expect him to be at ages 38 and 39. Could even get a first round pick from a team thats a QB away.

That is exactly the same logic that says keep him. 3 first round picks or maybe 2 plus a 2nd, and maybe I'd consider a trade at that time hahahahaha. That's not likely, and anything less, forget it.

[texaspackerbacker]

There is no way in hell Jordan Love is going to want to sit and watch Aaron Rodgers for 6 years, unless it becomes obvious he is not starter material. My guess is that following the 2021 season the Packers will decide whether Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love gives then the best chance at winning a Superb Owl and keep that guy.

You might be right, although pay him decently beyond his first four years and maybe. If he absolutely prices himself out of the market, I suppose let him go and hope he fails somewhere. If the kid is smart, though, he might see a better future with the Packers by waiting those 6 years. Or maybe it would become obvious after two or three years that he intends to leave. In that case, hopefully we could get more for him than the first rounder we invested in him.

You may very well be correct in your last line, but I'd say it will be pretty obvious that decision would be that Rodgers even 2 years farther down the road gives the Packers a better chance.

[RashanGary]

Favre was better than Rodgers in 2008 and 2009. The 2010 season Rodgers became elite. Comparable and a little better than Favre in his prime.

Love has a lot to prove. Gonna be hard for him to pass Rodgers, but if he shows he's a great player, the youth makes Love more valuable long term and you'd cut ties with Rodgers. Love has to show that though, first, otherwise you ride out Rodgers contract.

[GB-Brandon]

That "an attempt to take 2 steps back in an attempt to then eventually take 3 forward" is exactly what the Packers haven't done in at least 3 decades and what I would absolutely HATE for them to do. That's the "feast or famine" thing I mentioned in the other post. Spare us from that shit!

The Packers have remained near the top all through both the Favre and Rodgers years. Arguably, the supporting cast now is better than it has been through most of those years. I will Gutekunst credit for being better than Ted in that respect even though I don't like the recent draft. That is what maybe is relevant to this WR thread.

You're wrong, therefore. This discussion is more about Rodgers than Love, because it has to do with maintaining that "Winning Way" - which to most people is the most important thing - Win Now! ...... and then next year, Win Now again, and the year after that, Win Now again - do you see a trend there?

The trend I see is you have a HOF QB that is nearing 40 and you have to make the most out of the current situation. The Packers “Actions” did the exact opposite and it had nothing to do with strapping the cap as Gute has already done that. It has to do with drafting players that you can win with Rodgers NOW!

This is not what the Packers did. They put there eggs in a different basket. You can spin it all day long but once again I’m following their “actions.” I totally get that some fans can’t do anything but “follow their heart”

As far as receivers the Packers current group is rated 27th in PFF so I wouldn’t call that “One of the best supporting casts over the last 30 years” as far as that group goes.