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  • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
    You might be surprised at the number of 3 and out drives teams have. Nearly scoring on five plays is a HUGE deal. With some field position (special teams and defense) you are in scoring position already).
    My point was that you don't "create" explosive plays, you put a defense on its heels, wear them down and explosive plays happen. Every big run Jones had last year was when the D was starting to guess. He didn't create them on his own.
    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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    • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
      My point was that you don't "create" explosive plays, you put a defense on its heels, wear them down and explosive plays happen. Every big run Jones had last year was when the D was starting to guess. He didn't create them on his own.
      I don't think this is true at all s it related to being on their heels or worn down.

      Scheme does play a role.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • So 2021 draft, target EQ's brother Amon-Ra? I am kind of in favor of it at this way too early of a juncture.
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        • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
          I don't think this is true at all s it related to being on their heels or worn down.

          Scheme does play a role.
          doesn't scheme put a defense on its heels?
          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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          • Originally posted by theeaterofshades View Post
            So 2021 draft, target EQ's brother Amon-Ra? I am kind of in favor of it at this way too early of a juncture.
            At the very least, he could unleash a plague on the opposition.
            Originally posted by 3irty1
            This is museum quality stupidity.

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            • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
              doesn't scheme put a defense on its heels?
              Sure, but I thought you were using on their heels to describe being worn down.

              So I should have posted that I don't think tiredness explains many big plays.
              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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              • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                doesn't scheme put a defense on its heels?
                Isn't that still creating a big play? Don't big plays happen on the first drive, on the first snap, even?

                I do not understand your point.

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                • Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
                  Isn't that still creating a big play? Don't big plays happen on the first drive, on the first snap, even?

                  I do not understand your point.
                  He's saying if an offense both runs and passes the ball, sometimes the defense guesses pass when it's a run and that helps set up explosive runs. And if you're running well, the defense might even go do far as to commit extra resources to the run, which sets up the explosive pass.

                  If a defense knows what is coming, they can attack in a forward leaning way. Being on ones heels is saying they can't lean into an aggressive stance, but instead are keeping their weight back and waiting until they know what's coming before they lean into an attack direction.

                  In summary, offensive balance leads to defensive uncertainty. Hence the term, "keeping them on their heels" or "keeping the defense off balance" or making the defense unsure so they can't attack a known play type.
                  Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                  • Balance and unpredictability are established over time. So the very first play of a new game, before any in game identity can be established, the long term unpredictability or "balance" of an offense can already be established, leading to more off balance defensive calls and play tentitiveness (on heels) which leads to more big plays, from play 1, and throughout the game.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • I'm surprised the concept offensive play calling balance doesn't register with so many people. Looking at extreme imbalance would be an offense running outside zone right on every play. There is no guessing for the defense. Just line up and stop that. Another extreme form of imbalance would be passing on 70% of first downs. A defense could then commit the DL to put their energy into pass rush first and 70% of the time they'd be right, so over time the aggressive pass rush would pay off more times than not, leading to a more successful defense.

                      When you run 50% of the time on first down, teams have to equally honor the run and pass. Or guess. That's what's called uncertainty and uncertain guys play with slower game speed as they can't immediately commit to one thing.

                      It seems so obvious to me, but maybe some people really don't see this as an advantage and offensive coordinators really are idiots for their commitment to unpredictable play calling on first down. Often times rather than Calling it unpredictability, they shoeten it to say they aim for balance, assuming people understand why. Clearly the reasons for balance are completely disagreed upon by a lot of people who watch football.
                      Last edited by RashanGary; 06-02-2020, 12:05 PM.
                      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                      • Here is the next question you must interrogate your wide zone right on every play scenario:

                        How many left runs, or passes, would you need to call to get them to stop committing more men to stop it zone right?

                        I don't think the answer is anywhere as high as 30% tendency breaker.

                        No one is against breaking tendency when fruitful or being unpredictable. But I'm not going to insist on 50/50 or even 55/45 for my balance.

                        If you were to simply do what the defense is offering, you'd run the Mike Sherman game plan versus the Ravens in 2001 (a win by the way). You run when they put in their pass rushers. You pass when their runs stuffers are in. The defense would dictate the balance.
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • That worked really well on 2001 because he had the OL who he knew could steam roll their pass rushers and the QB he knew could take advantage when they didn't have pass rushers in. Some teams, some situations, something like that could work great.
                          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                          • I think, on first down, unless you have a really poor running game..... I think 50/50 is a nice run/pass split. If you run the ball really well, I think 60% first down running would open up such huge passing numbers in the 40% that even running more times they'd still get more pass yards.
                            Last edited by RashanGary; 06-02-2020, 05:44 PM.
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • Especially if you have personnel groups that include guys like Sternberger (the guy we hope he can be), Deguara (the guy we hope he is), and maybe even double RB backfields with Williams (can block a little) and Jones... When both backs are good pass catchers like that and you have a whole crew of run blockers...

                              If you have personnel like that and you establish some run dominance, playcallers start selling out to stop that run. I know you're not a pride guy, but trust me, getting rolled up on is embarrassing to prideful people.... So they sell out to stop that and AR carves them up

                              Again, gotta have the guys who can do it though. But ideally, I'm hoping for a dominant run game, which will mean more run plays, but even more pass yards
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                              • If I had

                                Jennings in his prime
                                Jordy in his prime
                                Finley in his prime
                                J. Jones in his prime
                                And Donald Driver

                                And then a whole crew of good pass blocking OL anchored by Sitton, Lang and Bulaga..... AND Aaron Rodgers in his prime......


                                And a shitty running back


                                50/50 on first down wouldn't make much sense for me.
                                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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