2020 Wide Receivers

[GB-Brandon]

And all this bullshit about "Rodgers doesn't Throw enough slants" and "Rodgers Holds onto the ball to long" and "He has been missing wide open receivers" is the biggest bullshit that i have actually read since being on this forum. Its flat out disgusting. This dude is "THE ALL TIME NFL PASSING LEADER" so all this talk is just crazy. It just shows how spoiled some fans have gotten. Rodgers has covered so many warts from the front office to the coaching to the personnel that its to much to even start to list. People can chant "Raise the G" all they want but the fact is the "G" would be in the toiled bowl if it weren't for Rodgers for several years and that's a fact. So i really don't get all the nit picking.

Beyond the passer rating the amount of things he does for this team is just huge. How he see's things at the LOS and dissects and reads defenses. His ability to process is genius level. I've never seen anything like it and I've been around a lot of football. It's very sad he hasn't been able to get the support he deserves. Part of me really wants Gute's hand to be forced to take his little baby out of the incubator so that all these ungrateful fans can get a taste of whats coming.

[bobblehead]

Calm down Francis. MVS isn't my hero, just a guy who I think could be a big part of the answer at WR2. Personally I thought this WR class was way over rated, but I would have liked to grab a guy like Bryan Edwards to help out...but that wouldn't have fit your criteria as he was a 3rd round pick. The way it fell we never had a shot at the guys I liked where they went.

I hated the Love pick and the Gary pick. Trading back was the right move both times, but it wouldn't have solved our WR problem. I think the quartet of MVS, EQ, Begelton, or Lazard will prove to be adequate as the #2. Not sure which one, or maybe even it will be hot hand. Hard to say.

In the end, Camp is here and we get to watch it play out. I choose to enjoy the ride and bitch AFTER the season is a failure, not before. With that I won't debate the same points over and over with you again. We both have staked out our positions and time will tell. I think this offense will be very good because of Flower and Rodgers. I am actually more concerned with RT than WR, but I will dwell on that in the TC thread.

[run pMc]

No, he didn't. This post if pure fantasy. I have bitched for years that the TE beating the middle of the field has been gone since the days of Favre. Finley was mostly effective on the edges....same as Cook.

I think the strategy is to carpet bomb the site with posts to the point that nobody cares, or at least bothers to fact check.
Honestly, I'm not even sure what his point is anymore... except the Packers GM is hopeless, Rodgers is wasted (just like every other QB not named Brady), and the season is lost. Let's all give up and jump off a cliff.

[bobblehead]

I think the strategy is to carpet bomb the site with posts to the point that nobody cares, or at least bothers to fact check.
Honestly, I'm not even sure what his point is anymore... except the Packers GM is hopeless, Rodgers is wasted (just like every other QB not named Brady), and the season is lost. Let's all give up and jump off a cliff.

Yes, some people like that approach of carpet bomb bullshit and keep the other guy correcting you while you drop more bullshit and no one will be able to notice the points you are making because you spend all your time correcting.

It doesn't matter if I point out that MVS is a far superior athlete to D cuz its all about production, but then when I point out the years 1/2 production it doesn't matter cuz D has the it factor and you can't argue with "it". And draft status, but Brown was drafted later than MVS, but it doesn't matter cuz D is better than MVS NOW, so it doesn't matter what could happen cuz it hasn't yet.

[GB-Brandon]

Yes, some people like that approach of carpet bomb bullshit and keep the other guy correcting you while you drop more bullshit and no one will be able to notice the points you are making because you spend all your time correcting.

It doesn't matter if I point out that MVS is a far superior athlete to D cuz its all about production, but then when I point out the years 1/2 production it doesn't matter cuz D has the it factor and you can't argue with "it". And draft status, but Brown was drafted later than MVS, but it doesn't matter cuz D is better than MVS NOW, so it doesn't matter what could happen cuz it hasn't yet.

Just like it doesn’t seem to matter that I point out Adams doubled MVS’s production in college. I go to camp man and watch these guys. I watch the tape on these guys too and not just the highlight films. I wish I could say more but I can’t.

I’m not saying I’m the Bible of knowledge and I’m right about every little thing but I go on probabilities. It’s the same way I trade stocks and I win more then I lose in both avenues.

[GB-Brandon]

I think the strategy is to carpet bomb the site with posts to the point that nobody cares, or at least bothers to fact check.
Honestly, I'm not even sure what his point is anymore... except the Packers GM is hopeless, Rodgers is wasted (just like every other QB not named Brady), and the season is lost. Let's all give up and jump off a cliff.

The reality is the media is talking about these topics weekly and sometimes daily so I’m not making things up. You can’t just slide these things under the rug.

Sorry the truth hurts so bad. Better get used to it cause it’s just getting warmed up by the way things are going. Let’s be very clear!

I didn’t do any of this!!!!

[GB-Brandon]

I “HOPE” Lazard and EQ and MVS and Kumerow and Sternberger all make these amazing jumps and have more production then they have ever had in their football careers and it all finally clicks at the same time and they become the new “Fantastic Five” and we go win a Super Bowl etc etc. but the probabilities tell me it’s a pretty big long shot. Just sayin.

In fact I stoped doing those type of drugs a long time ago.

[GB-Brandon]

I think the strategy is to carpet bomb the site with posts to the point that nobody cares, or at least bothers to fact check.
Honestly, I'm not even sure what his point is anymore... except the Packers GM is hopeless, Rodgers is wasted (just like every other QB not named Brady), and the season is lost. Let's all give up and jump off a cliff.

I never said the season was lost. I have basically said they will win some games but that they are not a serious Super Bowl contender this year as they didn’t do anything to really improve. On top of that YES I’m very concerned about the future of the franchise moving forward.

[Upnorth]

I hope at least one of the wr make a big jump and the rest just progress a bit. That isnt a tall order. Mvs and eq both have flashed potential as has lizard to a lesser extent. I see potential for a couple #2's in that group, but any one expecting a return to driver Jennings nelson and James needs to get of the crack.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd like to see Valdez-Scantling get a try as a kick off returner. I recall him taking that short pass, turning the corner at high speed, and off to the races. It's too long since we had a real burner who was a threat to take a kick off all the way.

[bobblehead]

I never said the season was lost. I have basically said they will win some games but that they are not a serious Super Bowl contender this year as they didn’t do anything to really improve. On top of that YES I’m very concerned about the future of the franchise moving forward.

So who, in your expert opinion, are serious super bowl contenders?

[call_me_ishmael]

Niners
Seahawks
Saints
Philly
Dallas

KC
Indy
Houston
Buffalo
Tennessee
Baltimore
Pittsburgh

Lots of teams at or above the Packers talent level IMO.

[bobblehead]

Niners
Seahawks
Saints
Philly
Dallas

KC
Indy
Houston
Buffalo
Tennessee
Baltimore
Pittsburgh

Lots of teams at or above the Packers talent level IMO.

You missed a big one...besides the packers.

Look, I'm not predicting an Owl here, I just find it impossible to believe that you can put 2 NFC teams with a combined 17-15 record as serious contenders, but leave the packers off. Then in the AFC Houston has the worst coach in the NFL and only won 10 games WITH Deandre Hopkins. The colts weren't even a .500 team last year and have several question marks.

And I'm not saying that means these teams are NOT serious contenders, I just mean to point out that saying they are but the packers are not is a joke.

Still waiting for Brandons extensive list of teams that are clearly better than the packers. It gets kind of tricky when you have to name them. When you marry yourself to the idea that we aren't serious contenders, but then you have to name all the many teams that clearly are. You end up with a list of teams that clearly are inferior to GB. Teams that we punked just 7 months ago. If you don't do that you end up with like 2 teams, which in the NFL we all know that in all probability won't play like you think they will.

[GB-Brandon]

Niners
Seahawks
Saints
Philly
Dallas

KC
Indy
Houston
Buffalo
Tennessee
Baltimore
Pittsburgh

Lots of teams at or above the Packers talent level IMO.

I would probably take Pittsburgh off this list and add Tampa Bay. Just not sold on Pittsburgh. I also wouldn’t put Indy on the list.

All of these teams doing things and being aggressive making moves to get better to “WIN NOW.”

Once again the Packers “Have a Chance” like anybody else but Doing very little if anything to get better other then hoping low budget/ low level players make gigantic leaps which rarely happens so I’m once again following the probabilities.

[texaspackerbacker]

Since he put "at or above", I suppose a lot of those teams merit being there, although I'd delete about half or more of them myself. If the standard is better or above the Packers talent level, though, it wouldn't go beyond the Niners, the Chiefs, and maybe the Cowboys.