Great analysis of pack future and 2020 draft by a writer I respect.

[call_me_ishmael]

Are there any other extremely overpriced playres with a year or two left on a prohibitive deal from a team that lacks a QB? I highly doubt they just cut ARod, but I could see them taking on a short term contract and picks to make it work after this season.

[George Cumby]

Re: Reds post. If the salient point is accurate, and Rodgers is free wheeling it and putting himself above the Team, it’s 2003-8 all over again.

So what does the organization do?

[mraynrand]

Re: Reds post. If the salient point is accurate, and Rodgers is free wheeling it and putting himself above the Team, it’s 2003-8 all over again.

So what does the organization do?

Draft a QB.

[George Cumby]

Draft a QB.

I was thinking of boxing up his locker, but that works, too.

[mraynrand]

I was thinking of boxing up his locker, but that works, too.

That comes later, after appearing on ‘Greta’

You know the timeline. Embrace it.

[pbmax]

florio andc peter king were talking about it the other day, and they quoted bob mcgiin

basically rodgers is changing everything at the line, and not running lefluers offense. lafluer is pissed because they practice his offense all week, only for a-rod to run his own thing in the game

they also quoted mcgiin that the relationship between coach and QB is over, and the coach wants a QB that will actually run the offense

this would go along with what a few of us have been saying for a few years. a rod is doing his own thing. thirst and 2, he audibles into a long pass. that could also be why we look so good at the beginning of games while we are running scripted plays, then seem to switch to the long ball approach and fizzle out

florio thinks this is rodgers last season in GB, and then they will trade or release him with the june 1st designation to spread out the cap hit

i'll try and fine the video

here it is

[v][/v]

1. If you are Gute, do you trust Rodgers or LaFleur more? LaFleur wasn't your pick, it was Murphy's. Gute was ready for second interviews. Gute is worried about his own behind, the coach doesn't report to him. Gute drafted Love so he could have a shot at another Rodgers and therefore job security. LaFleur getting by is a side effect.

2. Demovsky reported reasonable speculation that the third round pick was a sop to LaFleur after taking a player who would not contribute to his success coaching in the next year. LaFleur knows the kids coach.

3. Mike Sherman wasn't happy with first rounder Rodgers because he'd run his offense. A coach wants to win to keep his job. Rodgers didn't help that. Same thing with Love.

4. Everyone looks at Rodgers deal and thinks 1-3 years max. You can say the same about the coach.

5. Not the first Wolf family tree draft that did not address a need.

6. There is no guarantee Love helps the situation.

7. McGinn has no sources left. He is guessing, and therefore so are King and Florio.

8. I would LOVE to hear Bob explain in detail how he knows Rodgers is changing the play to one not practiced when we already know LaFleur is handing Rodgers an alternate play every time out on the field.

9. If you want an explanation for the RB and TE in the second and third round, that last phrase in #8 is a good on to focus on. Having defenses threatened by your run/pass options is th entire goal of this offense. It doesn't take Love to deliver that. It takes players who are a threat downfield and could also throw a block.

[pbmax]

If you respect the guy, fine, but I absolutely have a lower than snakeshit opinion of most of what he wrote.

I could have stopped reading when the guy said the Packers were the tenth best team in the league, but I slogged through to the end, and it became more and more apparent that he is just another outsider who doesn't have a clue about the Packers.

I don't think 10th best is too far off the mark. They had a new coach, new offense new film advantage PLUS the defense got major upgrades and changes. That is an advantage to every new regime.

The offense and defense had obvious flaws but played well and both sides of the ball were well coordinated. The defense was designed to protect a lead.

But after two down years and some desultory drafts, if you can be Top 10 and be trending up, that speaks pretty well of the organization's plan.

[Bretsky]

I don't think 10th best is too far off the mark. They had a new coach, new offense new film advantage PLUS the defense got major upgrades and changes. That is an advantage to every new regime.

The offense and defense had obvious flaws but played well and both sides of the ball were well coordinated. The defense was designed to protect a lead.

But after two down years and some desultory drafts, if you can be Top 10 and be trending up, that speaks pretty well of the organization's plan.

I would guess the 10th best team is around where we are at now as well....if that

[pbmax]

I would guess the 10th best team is around where we are at now as well....if that

Considering the previous two years were 6-9-1 and 7-9, I am not sure what else you'd expect.

They needed an infusion of talent on D and skill position players on O and probably some new ideas on both sides of the ball. They got most of those except WR. Which is why, record of 13-3 not-withstanding, I expect they are trending up for a bit.

There are still question marks:

1. Pettine's first two years not as good as Capers first two years which is a little worrying
2. If Rodgers is in steep decline, then its mostly on Love to rectify the situation which is worrying
3. LaFleur's offense is a definite work in progress. Can he and Rodgers get more out of most of the same characters as last year? Can The Flower Power guru actually develop a QB?
4. They still need talent or at least someone to break out of the pedestrian lane on offense. Gute's WR haul looks kinda pathetic at this point.

[beveaux1]

Considering the previous two years were 6-9-1 and 7-9, I am not sure what else you'd expect.

They needed an infusion of talent on D and skill position players on O and probably some new ideas on both sides of the ball. They got most of those except WR. Which is why, record of 13-3 not-withstanding, I expect they are trending up for a bit.

There are still question marks:

1. Pettine's first two years not as good as Capers first two years which is a little worrying
2. If Rodgers is in steep decline, then its mostly on Love to rectify the situation which is worrying
3. LaFleur's offense is a definite work in progress. Can he and Rodgers get more out of most of the same characters as last year? Can The Flower Power guru actually develop a QB?
4. They still need talent or at least someone to break out of the pedestrian lane on offense. Gute's WR haul looks kinda pathetic at this point.

1. I agree
2 and 3. He doesn't have to be a guru. That offense is designed around a young, mobile QB with, usually no more than 2 reads on pass plays. It's run based with play action options and much easier for a young QB to get up to speed.
4. Running game this year, WRs next year.

[Bretsky]

1. If you are Gute, do you trust Rodgers or LaFleur more? LaFleur wasn't your pick, it was Murphy's. Gute was ready for second interviews. Gute is worried about his own behind, the coach doesn't report to him. Gute drafted Love so he could have a shot at another Rodgers and therefore job security. LaFleur getting by is a side effect.

2. Demovsky reported reasonable speculation that the third round pick was a sop to LaFleur after taking a player who would not contribute to his success coaching in the next year. LaFleur knows the kids coach.

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DUDE< there are MULTIPLE THREAD TOPICS WITHIN THIS AWESOME POST !!!!

Regarding #1, early ratings are high on LaFleur but I think the sensible fans know a lot of things fell our way last year. I'm a fan, but to me his hire is undoubtedly TBD still. I'm not a Marcia Marcia Marcia fan at all.

I always wondered WHY GB hired the top coaching candidate, IMO, and the top OC in the NFL.............and INSTANTLY.......it was reported he wasn't getting hired. And the report was quiet with no real explanation from either side other than Hoody Genius Jr was no longer under consideration. WHY.........I never hear any credible theories on this........UNTIL.........GB Brandon, who is obviously a fanatical GB Packer fan and lives in the area, noted how it's thought in GB that he immediately pulled himself from consideration because the new coach basically needed to retain Pettine. Whether that is good or bad, these coaches have their inner circles and most candidates are not going to want to be bullied into brining a coordinator on. When Flower was hired, reports came out that in his interview he brought out a list of his top DC Candidates and Pettine was one.....so adding 1 PLUS 1 I have to ponder......how much of a consideration was it to getting the guy hired ?

Regarding the report about giving the #3 to the coach, if trued, again....a good topic in itself,......that is VERY concerning at best and dysfuncational at worse. I'd say WTF to that one.

I don't buy McGinn has not sources for a second, and Peter King IMO has a bunch of sources. I do agree that I'd love to know how McGinn knows AROD is changing plays though.

[Bretsky]

Considering the previous two years were 6-9-1 and 7-9, I am not sure what else you'd expect.

They needed an infusion of talent on D and skill position players on O and probably some new ideas on both sides of the ball. They got most of those except WR. Which is why, record of 13-3 not-withstanding, I expect they are trending up for a bit.

There are still question marks:

1. Pettine's first two years not as good as Capers first two years which is a little worrying
2. If Rodgers is in steep decline, then its mostly on Love to rectify the situation which is worrying
3. LaFleur's offense is a definite work in progress. Can he and Rodgers get more out of most of the same characters as last year? Can The Flower Power guru actually develop a QB?
4. They still need talent or at least someone to break out of the pedestrian lane on offense. Gute's WR haul looks kinda pathetic at this point.

I was expecting to be flamed for noting GB is around the 10th best team in the NFL. That might be too gracious. In the NFC somewhere in the 4-7 range; those teams seem about the same to me. My bias is in the latter area; had we improved ourselves more in the draft I think I'd rate us i the 3-4 area in the NFC.

I'd use words stronger than pathetic but you are way nicer than I am ))

[pbmax]

1. I agree
2 and 3. He doesn't have to be a guru. That offense is designed around a young, mobile QB with, usually no more than 2 reads on pass plays. It's run based with play action options and much easier for a young QB to get up to speed.
4. Running game this year, WRs next year.

My concern about 3 (and therefore spills into 2) is that I am not certain this offensive line blocks good enough for the outside zone to be successful.

I have no film or tape to point to, only that my sense was that defenses still defer to Rodgers and not Jones. Teams did not have huge difficulty stopping Jamaal Williams runs.

A mobile blocker with the rookie TE, a good all around TE in Stormbringer and the new back might help this. But I was generally not too impressed with the zone run blocking next year.

[Joemailman]

DUDE< there are MULTIPLE THREAD TOPICS WITHIN THIS AWESOME POST !!!!

Regarding #1, early ratings are high on LaFleur but I think the sensible fans know a lot of things fell our way last year. I'm a fan, but to me his hire is undoubtedly TBD still. I'm not a Marcia Marcia Marcia fan at all.

I always wondered WHY GB hired the top coaching candidate, IMO, and the top OC in the NFL.............and INSTANTLY.......it was reported he wasn't getting hired. And the report was quiet with no real explanation from either side other than Hoody Genius Jr was no longer under consideration. WHY.........I never hear any credible theories on this........UNTIL.........GB Brandon, who is obviously a fanatical GB Packer fan and lives in the area, noted how it's thought in GB that he immediately pulled himself from consideration because the new coach basically needed to retain Pettine. Whether that is good or bad, these coaches have their inner circles and most candidates are not going to want to be bullied into brining a coordinator on. When Flower was hired, reports came out that in his interview he brought out a list of his top DC Candidates and Pettine was one.....so adding 1 PLUS 1 I have to ponder......how much of a consideration was it to getting the guy hired ?

Regarding the report about giving the #3 to the coach, if trued, again....a good topic in itself,......that is VERY concerning at best and dysfuncational at worse. I'd say WTF to that one.

I don't buy McGinn has not sources for a second, and Peter King IMO has a bunch of sources. I do agree that I'd love to know how McGinn knows AROD is changing plays though.

Maybe they interviewed McDaniels and decided that like every other team in the NFL, they didn't want him coaching their team. It was the only known interview that McDaniels received in a year when 8 new coaches were hired. Maybe he's not as sought after for head coach as you think he is.

[red]

1. If you are Gute, do you trust Rodgers or LaFleur more? LaFleur wasn't your pick, it was Murphy's. Gute was ready for second interviews. Gute is worried about his own behind, the coach doesn't report to him. Gute drafted Love so he could have a shot at another Rodgers and therefore job security. LaFleur getting by is a side effect.

2. Demovsky reported reasonable speculation that the third round pick was a sop to LaFleur after taking a player who would not contribute to his success coaching in the next year. LaFleur knows the kids coach.

3. Mike Sherman wasn't happy with first rounder Rodgers because he'd run his offense. A coach wants to win to keep his job. Rodgers didn't help that. Same thing with Love.

4. Everyone looks at Rodgers deal and thinks 1-3 years max. You can say the same about the coach.

5. Not the first Wolf family tree draft that did not address a need.

6. There is no guarantee Love helps the situation.

7. McGinn has no sources left. He is guessing, and therefore so are King and Florio.

8. I would LOVE to hear Bob explain in detail how he knows Rodgers is changing the play to one not practiced when we already know LaFleur is handing Rodgers an alternate play every time out on the field.

9. If you want an explanation for the RB and TE in the second and third round, that last phrase in #8 is a good on to focus on. Having defenses threatened by your run/pass options is th entire goal of this offense. It doesn't take Love to deliver that. It takes players who are a threat downfield and could also throw a block.

It’s no secret that arid changes the plays all the time. How else can you explain how the fat mike offense changed so much in later years, and how the offense last year looked just like the later McCarthy offense when it was stuttering?

How else can you explain the constant delay of games and wasted time outs because the play clock is running down, over 2 separate regimes?

I don’t think for a second there is any doubt that a rod is calling the shots. The question is just how many

And it’s not just McGinn, king came to his own conclusion about a rod changing all the plays for what he’s seen and heard. It just happens to coincide with what mcginn is hearing. Sims also talked about how Rodgers is running his own plays