Great analysis of pack future and 2020 draft by a writer I respect.

[run pMc]

I thought King posed a good question: How many plays did Arod change last year?

I think it's reasonable to think that MLF gave ARod a lot of rope last year as a rookie coach inheriting a future HOF QB, but would want to rein that in more this year. McGinn might have been a good beat writer (he was) and still have contacts in the league, but I'd bet he's not well plugged into the Lambeau offices anymore... he seemed to have gotten brushed aside during the TT era and it made him angry. Doesn't seem like that's changed with Gute, and the paragraph they were referring to in the video was McGinn's speculation, not quoted or from a direct source.
Sure, where there's smoke there's fire, but it's fair to wonder how much of the smoke McGinn is creating himself.
It's just gossip.

As for getting flamed for calling GB the 10th best, I don't get it. They benefited from a lot of things last year, and IMO far exceeded expectations with a 13 win season, #2 seed and NFCC appearance. For a rookie coach brought in off a losing season, that's unheard of. I'd think regression to the mean will happen, and put them closer to a 10 win season if their most important players stay healthy.

[Bretsky]

Maybe they interviewed McDaniels and decided that like every other team in the NFL, they didn't want him coaching their team. It was the only known interview that McDaniels received in a year when 8 new coaches were hired. Maybe he's not as sought after for head coach as you think he is.

Or maybe, as discussed on ESPN he didn't want any bad jobs because he's the successor in NE but GB appealed to him.

[Bretsky]

Maybe they interviewed McDaniels and decided that like every other team in the NFL, they didn't want him coaching their team. It was the only known interview that McDaniels received in a year when 8 new coaches were hired. Maybe he's not as sought after for head coach as you think he is.

And maybe Marcia wanted a coach he felt he could control with the DC; probably more evidence to suggest this than your above point.

[Zool]

Or maybe, as discussed on ESPN he didn't want any bad jobs because he's the successor in NE but GB appealed to him.

He did so well in Denver, or what that someone else’s fault too?

[Bretsky]

He did so well in Denver, or what that someone else’s fault too?

well that's an ignorant comment.

have any coaches not had success round one only to be successful round two ?


A better way to look at it could be coaches can learn from each experience.

Think Hoody Genius learned from Cleveland ?

[GB-Brandon]

From everything I heard and have read McDaniels was only interested in the GB job and mostly only
because of Aaron Rodgers along with draft picks and salary cap situation at that time. He was the “lead candidate” from the fans, media etc etc and then a guy named Mark Murphy got involved.

I don’t think this town was big enough for the both of them. Lol

[GB-Brandon]

As far as “Aaron Regressing”, it’s all too predictable and some predicted this would be the talk last offseason with Gute’s lackluster approach to building the offense efficiently and acquiring some top level talent. Gute jettisoned Rodgers favorite target(Jordy) and then McCarthy got hung out to dry and now the narrative is “Aaron’s Regressing.” This is gonna continue as Gute did next to nothing for 3 years in a row failing to re-stock the shelves of playmakers on offense.

If “Gute The Fraud” spent as much time getting Rodgers weapons as he has giving up resources for his potential replacement(Kizer, Love) we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

[call_me_ishmael]

He did so well in Denver, or what that someone else’s fault too?

Couldn't you say the same thing about BB in Cleveland, though, or Saban at Michigan State?

[Zool]

Couldn't you say the same thing about BB in Cleveland, though, or Saban at Michigan State?

I'll reply to you and Bretsky at the same time. Did both of those guys go back to being a coordinator for 8-10 years waiting for the "right job"? If he was such a savant, wouldn't someone have thrown enough money at him by now? Wouldn't the SF job have been the "right job"?

Eventually a guy is what he is.

[Upnorth]

As far as “Aaron Regressing”, it’s all too predictable and some predicted this would be the talk last offseason with Gute’s lackluster approach to building the offense efficiently and acquiring some top level talent. Gute jettisoned Rodgers favorite target(Jordy) and then McCarthy got hung out to dry and now the narrative is “Aaron’s Regressing.” This is gonna continue as Gute did next to nothing for 3 years in a row failing to re-stock the shelves of playmakers on offense.

If “Gute The Fraud” spent as much time getting Rodgers weapons as he has giving up resources for his potential replacement(Kizer, Love) we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

re Kiser, so they should have traded randle for a wr?

[GB-Brandon]

re Kiser, so they should have traded randle for a wr?

They should of “allocated resources” responsibly and made a better effort to bolster the WR position. My point is they have allocated more premium resources to Rodgers replacement or back up then getting AR12 competent weapons under Gute which IMO is inexcusable.

I question the vision and direction.

[pbmax]

It’s no secret that arid changes the plays all the time. How else can you explain how the fat mike offense changed so much in later years, and how the offense last year looked just like the later McCarthy offense when it was stuttering?

How else can you explain the constant delay of games and wasted time outs because the play clock is running down, over 2 separate regimes?

I don’t think for a second there is any doubt that a rod is calling the shots. The question is just how many

And it’s not just McGinn, king came to his own conclusion about a rod changing all the plays for what he’s seen and heard. It just happens to coincide with what mcginn is hearing. Sims also talked about how Rodgers is running his own plays

He absolutely was changing a lot of plays under McCarthy. The evidence became plain when they agrees to run a modified script for the first first fifteen/twenty plays with plays both liked. Worked like a charm.

Then it went to hell in a handbasket after that. Think that was 2018.

And LaFleur said he gave Rodgers total control. But again I ask, what is your evidence that he is changing the same number of plays? Those early down runs weren't his plays. They ran on first down more than most other teams.

If LaFleur gives him at least one option per play, where is the evidence of what he is changing it to? There is little. The number of blown timeouts last year was down if I am not mistaken. They, surprisingly, often had timeouts left at the half.

They played four games in which they couldn't run the EO. That alone argues for him changing less plays.

[Zool]

Should have allocated......my goodness

[pbmax]

I'll reply to you and Bretsky at the same time. Did both of those guys go back to being a coordinator for 8-10 years waiting for the "right job"? If he was such a savant, wouldn't someone have thrown enough money at him by now? Wouldn't the SF job have been the "right job"?

Eventually a guy is what he is.

Belichick had a new HC gig within 5 years I believe. So I agree. But we won't know until he gets a gig.

[GB-Brandon]

Should have allocated......my goodness

Yes, and now we’re sitting around talking about “Audibles”. It’s like let’s point to anything other then the obvious.