Brandon Marshall says Packers wasted Rodgers career

[bobblehead]

Yet the Saints went 5-0 in 2019 without “The Mighty Drew Brees”

Your drowning here!!!!! D. Bree’s ball doesn’t even cut wind. He shouldn’t even be in the same conversation with Aaron Rodgers.

So the Saints had a former starter as a backup. And honestly he had a better season than Rodgers in about any conceivable way....plus he was 4 years older at 40 to Rodgers 36.

Its amazing to me that you are obsessed with the wins, but when I point out that the packers went 13 and 3 last year, you still think everything they do was stupid. Do wins matter or not?? You're drowning here!!! (as opposed to me owning the drowning...your drowning). I guess maybe you're right...I am owning you drowning.

[GB-Brandon]

So the Saints had a former starter as a backup. And honestly he had a better season than Rodgers in about any conceivable way....plus he was 4 years older at 40 to Rodgers 36.

Its amazing to me that you are obsessed with the wins, but when I point out that the packers went 13 and 3 last year, you still think everything they do was stupid. Do wins matter or not?? You're drowning here!!! (as opposed to me owning the drowning...your drowning). I guess maybe you're right...I am owning you drowning.

The Packers traded away a former first round pick for a “former starter” in Kizer at QB and how did that work out? So it’s obviously not that simple!!!

Yeah, I would concur last season all things considered to be a success at 13-3 as has been discussed on here many many times. However; the front office “Re-Traced” back to “Stuck On Stupid” pretty much the whole offseason and ignoring getting the one thing this offense needed the most. In fact, they went into an entirely different direction so in a way it wipes out some of that momentum of that 13-3 season. All these other contenders are making “Aggressive Moves” and in the mix to help get their QB’s more weapons. Gute isn’t doing a Fucken thing but basically undermining Rodgers by setting him up to fail. This Gute should be ran out of town immediately.

This being the whole damn point of “Brandon Marshall” making the comment in the OP.

“DROWNING”!!!!

[bobblehead]

Brandon, I'm not a fan of Gute. I have said so many times....however, I'm a huge fan of Flower. And Gute is getting him what he thinks he needs to win.

The difference between me and you is that you are positive that you are a ton smarter than the guy who worked his way up to GM of an NFL team and I simply don't like some of his moves, but I can't argue with 13-3 and changing the offense from the stale M3 model to the preferred Flower model. As such I'm willing to let it play out.

I definitely would have liked to trade up and grab a WR. I certainly wanted someone besides the tool box in the 3rd round. I think drafting the heir to Rodgers with 4 years left on his contract wasn't the best move...however, I can set my ideas aside for just a minute and see his process and what he is trying to accomplish. You on the other hand are blinded with emotion and self importance and refuse to believe he might have a good plan. If Rodgers continues to regress and show no heart (refusing to dive after a fumble in the playoffs) and Love and the dominant run game and defense pan out then you look pretty foolish...of course you will disappear just like every poster I have had this argument with before, but I want to post here for many years to come so I won't box myself in by letting my emotions and ego paint me into the "this can't possibly work cuz I am so smart" corner. In a year you will either be gone or look stupid....your ego won't allow you to look stupid so...bye bye when we have another good season despite a brutal schedule.

[RashanGary]

I'm in slight disagreement with both of you guys, but clearly bobble is owning you drowning Brandon

I do like gute. Outside of the graham signing, his contract have been money. His draft picks are a little up in the air yet so we’ll see. I'm optimistic but open to admitting I'm a hopeless homer too. I do have that tendency.

If Steenberger and Lazard bust out, everyone at 1265 gonna look golden. That's my hope!

[GB-Brandon]

Brandon, I'm not a fan of Gute. I have said so many times....however, I'm a huge fan of Flower. And Gute is getting him what he thinks he needs to win.

The difference between me and you is that you are positive that you are a ton smarter than the guy who worked his way up to GM of an NFL team and I simply don't like some of his moves, but I can't argue with 13-3 and changing the offense from the stale M3 model to the preferred Flower model. As such I'm willing to let it play out.

I definitely would have liked to trade up and grab a WR. I certainly wanted someone besides the tool box in the 3rd round. I think drafting the heir to Rodgers with 4 years left on his contract wasn't the best move...however, I can set my ideas aside for just a minute and see his process and what he is trying to accomplish. You on the other hand are blinded with emotion and self importance and refuse to believe he might have a good plan. If Rodgers continues to regress and show no heart (refusing to dive after a fumble in the playoffs) and Love and the dominant run game and defense pan out then you look pretty foolish...of course you will disappear just like every poster I have had this argument with before, but I want to post here for many years to come so I won't box myself in by letting my emotions and ego paint me into the "this can't possibly work cuz I am so smart" corner. In a year you will either be gone or look stupid....your ego won't allow you to look stupid so...bye bye when we have another good season despite a brutal schedule.

It’s possible they have a decent season “This Year” if Rodgers can play at an “MVP Level” and can carry this mediocre receiving Corp but even then they will fall short in the end. They have done next to zero to push them over the top and in some ways have gotten worse. From there the wheels come off and we’ll see how much everyone has this infatuation with the “Love Move” then.

I suppose then for the next ten years or so or possibly beyond people can talk about what coulda, woulda, shoulda been as things become very “Crystal Clear” to all. As far as the Rodgers era there has just been too much damage done. The cumulative effect of that damage is beyond catastrophic for anymore long term successes.

You simply can’t continue to make mistakes like this and expect one man to bail you out over and over again. My hope is the Packer organization re-invents itself too today’s NFL landscape after this bomb goes off. I thought this is what they were doing with the insertions from the last house cleaning but apparently it’s almost the same old script with just different characters.

It’s 2020 and the Packers need to start changing the way they do things. It’s that simple. Some people take that the wrong way but it is what is necessary if you ever want to see another NFL Champ Title in Titletown.

Innovate or Disintegrate.

[GB-Brandon]

I'm in slight disagreement with both of you guys, but clearly bobble is owning you drowning Brandon

I do like gute. Outside of the graham signing, his contract have been money. His draft picks are a little up in the air yet so we’ll see. I'm optimistic but open to admitting I'm a hopeless homer too. I do have that tendency.

If Steenberger and Lazard bust out, everyone at 1265 gonna look golden. That's my hope!

Nothing wrong with that. I was that way for years too. It just got to the point for me where it wasn’t all adding up. Meaning I was not seeing the ”required commitment level” from the front office that I believed was necessary to truly produce a dominant result.

[run pMc]

Not that I'm fond of the pick, but I honestly don't see how taking a QB in R1 ruins their whole year.
They signed 2 WRs in FA, got rid of Jimmy and G-Mo, drafted for the run game, got 2 new LBs, and another year for MVS and ESB in the MLF offense.

Could it be that, under Gute, they are changing the way they do things? I think Gute is more Wolf than Ted.

As for Rodgers, I certainly don't take his talent or production for granted. He's won a SB and has been MVP, and is the best QB in the division (Stafford's pretty good too). He's also slipped quite a way from 2011. Age, injuries, and a few bad habits are going to do that. We can call him a great player and a future HOFer because of past deeds. If you look at his last 3 seasons he's been very good, but I think you would have a hard time convincing many he's playing at an elite, Top-5 QB level.

[sharpe1027]

Not that I'm fond of the pick, but I honestly don't see how taking a QB in R1 ruins their whole year.
They signed 2 WRs in FA, got rid of Jimmy and G-Mo, drafted for the run game, got 2 new LBs, and another year for MVS and ESB in the MLF offense.

Could it be that, under Gute, they are changing the way they do things? I think Gute is more Wolf than Ted.

As for Rodgers, I certainly don't take his talent or production for granted. He's won a SB and has been MVP, and is the best QB in the division (Stafford's pretty good too). He's also slipped quite a way from 2011. Age, injuries, and a few bad habits are going to do that. We can call him a great player and a future HOFer because of past deeds. If you look at his last 3 seasons he's been very good, but I think you would have a hard time convincing many he's playing at an elite, Top-5 QB level.

I don't know how anyone can really argue against this point. Which begs the question, how the hell did they win so many games last year with such terrible talent surrounding Rodgers? Unless, just perhaps, the rest of the team wasn't all that bad.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good Point, Sharpe, but mostly it was Rodgers at maybe 75% of his peak ability still being the GOAT.

[bobblehead]

LIke that Bears game where Rodgers carried them singlehandedly to a 10-3 win. Vikings 21-16? Lions 23-22? The 3 game stretch we scored 11, 24 and 8? The 20-15 win over the Redskins? 21-13 over the Bears? 23-10 over the Vikes?

Lets be honest here. The packers defense was pretty damn good last year and lead us to a 13 win regular season. They couldn't stop SF 2x and as a result we lost. Rodgers did not put up a massive amount of points last year.

He is good, very good. He is not carrying this team anymore. Not last year, not the last 3 years. I almost want him gone just so people can see that he is not God walking among us.

[sharpe1027]

Good Point, Sharpe, but mostly it was Rodgers at maybe 75% of his peak ability still being the GOAT.

Yeah, we'd have lost a lot more with our backup. I'm just not buying the rhetoric about how poor the team is except for Rodgers.

[run pMc]

Yeah, we'd have lost a lot more with our backup. I'm just not buying the rhetoric about how poor the team is except for Rodgers.

I think any team that has to start their backup is going to struggle, and if it's more than 4 games it will likely cost you your season.
Teddy Bridgewater was a rare exception, and may thought he overachieved.

Bobble, I don't want Rodgers gone. Jordan Love might be good, but no sense in letting Rodgers go until the team knows. Having Rodgers around means GB is a dangerous team.

I'm curious - is Rodgers better than Favre? Seems like the Rodgers-as-GOAT group may be overrating him or succumbing to recency bias.
Not saying he was better than Rodgers, but Favre was pretty darn good and has an argument (more SB appearances and MVPs, lots of TDs, wins, etc.).

[bobblehead]

I think any team that has to start their backup is going to struggle, and if it's more than 4 games it will likely cost you your season.
Teddy Bridgewater was a rare exception, and may thought he overachieved.

Bobble, I don't want Rodgers gone. Jordan Love might be good, but no sense in letting Rodgers go until the team knows. Having Rodgers around means GB is a dangerous team.

I'm curious - is Rodgers better than Favre? Seems like the Rodgers-as-GOAT group may be overrating him or succumbing to recency bias.
Not saying he was better than Rodgers, but Favre was pretty darn good and has an argument (more SB appearances and MVPs, lots of TDs, wins, etc.).

I think Rodgers is much better than Favre. Brett threw insanely stupid picks in games that were all but won at times. Redzone picks in the playoffs were common (both red zones).

Don't misunderstand me though. Favre did some great things to off set those picks, but Rodgers is Favre with a tad less great and a ton less stupid.

I don't really want him gone either, I am just sick of the BS that he IS the franchise. Watch NE win their 100th division title without Brady this year.

[Patler]

... Rodgers is Favre with a tad less great and a ton less stupid.

That says it in a nutshell! Great comment.

[texaspackerbacker]

I see that a little bit differently. Rodgers has better skills than Favre - throwing accuracy, mobility, etc. (although Favre had a lot of those things too). And Rodgers does play it a lot smarter and more careful. Favre had more leadership and flair than Rodgers, and I sure wouldn't call him stupid, just a riverboat gambler mentality.

I'd say those two are the first and either third or fourth best QBs in NFL history.