“Aaron Rodgers Revenge Tour”

[SudsMcBucky]

Not sure how simply posting ratings from what most believe a reliable source to be “Sucking The Love Out Of Watching Football”

I suppose we can all just sit here and tell each other what we want to hear.

The point isn't to not talk about the issues along with the good. It's posting the exact same fucken thing 10 different ways in 10 separate posts all within about 10 minutes of each other.

[GB-Brandon]

The point isn't to not talk about the issues along with the good. It's posting the exact same fucken thing 10 different ways in 10 separate posts all within about 10 minutes of each other.

People respond to a lot of the posts so I respond back.

I do believe what I’m talking about is a pretty important thing in regards to the Packers winning a Super Bowl. You have a right to feel differently.

I’ve also been diving into the defense and the good things too like how well Aaron Rodgers is playing. The AJ contract has been discussed as has other teams around the league.

Overall I would consider it a Plethora of information covered.

[GB-Brandon]

I have to admit I do like this.

https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora/status/1308460557276712962?s=21

[GB-Brandon]

Do we have the Firepower to beat the Chiefs with Mahommes?

Honestly ask yourself that question.

[GB-Brandon]

This pretty much tells it all:

http://twitter.com/PFF/status/1308459766373593088

Does anyone have a problem with this “PFF Rating?”

Are they getting it right?

[run pMc]

The point isn't to not talk about the issues along with the good. It's posting the exact same fucken thing 10 different ways in 10 separate posts all within about 10 minutes of each other.

LOL Not sure what the rapid fire posts are all about. Kind of gums up the board and makes it look like the frantic ravings of the mad.
The Packers are certainly not a juggernaut, but if you expected that you're insane. I had them picked to go 10-6, and they still might. Starting out 2-0 with division wins is pretty sweet and I'm enjoying it. They have proven they can win with (outside of Adams) middling WRs - mind you, most of whom are young with a chance to get better. I'd chalk that up to good QB/OL/RB play giving balance to that side of the ball, along with clever scheme and coaching. This is a superior offensive scheme to what M3 rolled out in his final 2-3 seasons.

You can complain about the PFF ratings of the TEs -- who have not played great yet -- but thankfully they haven't had to lean on them much as receivers yet. Honestly, it's not like M3 used TEs a lot either, nor was Jimmy Graham or Martellius Bennett giving them much... so while I'd like to see the TEs not drop the ball and make some plays, they aren't doing much worse than they have in recent seasons. I'd love to see that change. I will say the WRs have been better than last year. Maybe this is Year 2 in the offense, maybe it's growth by the young players, maybe it's addition by subtraction of Allison/Graham.

I'm less worried by the offense than I am by the defense. They still have lingering issues from last year that aren't fixed. DET and MIN were able to run on GB until they fell behind and had to play catchup in the 2nd half, and the MOF is still susceptible to the pass.

[Spaulding]

Sigh, queue broken record or horse beatings as the constant ranting about the need for another top receiver is getting beyond annoying. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it's beyond old how you rope that need into almost all the threads. Add to the fact that you speak like you're absolutely right and know better than GM's and coaches that have more football knowledge than any of us fits right into the rest of this dumpster fire that is 2020.

A simple look at some of the last champions of the past 20 years suggests your rant about the need for a #2 receiver is about as valuable as monopoly money. Now granted statistics can be construed but where in the following do you see a trend of elite #2 receivers leading their teams to the SB?

2001 Patriots
- Troy Brown #1
- David Patten (51 receptions for 749 yds)
- no other receiver with more than 24 receptions or 204 yds
- TE was Jermaine Wiggins with 21 receptions for 133 yds

2002 Bucs
- 32yr old Keenen McCardell (61 receptions for 670 yds)
- KeyShawn Johnson (76 receptions for 1088yds)
- Ken Dilger was TE (34 receptions for 329yds)

2005 Steelers
- Hines Ward (69 receptions for 975 yds)
- Antwaan Randle El (35 receptions for 558 yds)
- Heath Miller @ TE (39 receptions for 459 yds)

2007 Giants
- Plaxico Burress (70 receptions for 1025 yds)
- Amani Toomer (59 receptions for 760 yds)
- Jeremy Shockey @ TE (57 receptions for 619 yds)

2012 Ravens
- no receiver with more than 65 receptions or 921 yds

2013 Seahawks
- one receiver with 64 receptions for 898 yds and the second with 50 receptions and 778 yds (where TE was a scrub)

There were other teams borderline and indeed a few that had two very good receivers (again few) but it's not a requirement for success. The only trend I noted was that the majority of Super Bowl winners had top tier defenses.

Thus you're drum beating for a #2 receiver is likely misguided and should possibly instead be directed to the defense and our inability to stop the run so far. If anything that has the highest probability of being our achilles heel should we make the playoffs and look to play in February.

For the record, I'm not necessarily a Gute fan as I wasn't a far of Gary or our first two picks this year and would have loved to see Cephus in a Packers uniform with the 4th we lost moving up but then again you can rate drafts for 3 years and so his actions sit in the "jury is still out" category to me.

[HarveyWallbangers]

LOL Not sure what the rapid fire posts are all about. Kind of gums up the board and makes it look like the frantic ravings of the mad.
The Packers are certainly not a juggernaut, but if you expected that you're insane. I had them picked to go 10-6, and they still might. Starting out 2-0 with division wins is pretty sweet and I'm enjoying it. They have proven they can win with (outside of Adams) middling WRs - mind you, most of whom are young with a chance to get better. I'd chalk that up to good QB/OL/RB play giving balance to that side of the ball, along with clever scheme and coaching. This is a superior offensive scheme to what M3 rolled out in his final 2-3 seasons.

You can complain about the PFF ratings of the TEs -- who have not played great yet -- but thankfully they haven't had to lean on them much as receivers yet. Honestly, it's not like M3 used TEs a lot either, nor was Jimmy Graham or Martellius Bennett giving them much... so while I'd like to see the TEs not drop the ball and make some plays, they aren't doing much worse than they have in recent seasons. I'd love to see that change. I will say the WRs have been better than last year. Maybe this is Year 2 in the offense, maybe it's growth by the young players, maybe it's addition by subtraction of Allison/Graham.

I'm less worried by the offense than I am by the defense. They still have lingering issues from last year that aren't fixed. DET and MIN were able to run on GB until they fell behind and had to play catchup in the 2nd half, and the MOF is still susceptible to the pass.

Good post. Agree with all of it. Tonyan looks decent, and I still think Sternberger turns it around. I think he's fighting it now, but I think he has naturally good hands. More Davante Adams or James Jones than MVS.

[GB-Brandon]

Sigh, queue broken record or horse beatings as the constant ranting about the need for another top receiver is getting beyond annoying. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it's beyond old how you rope that need into almost all the threads. Add to the fact that you speak like you're absolutely right and know better than GM's and coaches that have more football knowledge than any of us fits right into the rest of this dumpster fire that is 2020.

A simple look at some of the last champions of the past 20 years suggests your rant about the need for a #2 receiver is about as valuable as monopoly money. Now granted statistics can be construed but where in the following do you see a trend of elite #2 receivers leading their teams to the SB?

2001 Patriots
- Troy Brown #1
- David Patten (51 receptions for 749 yds)
- no other receiver with more than 24 receptions or 204 yds
- TE was Jermaine Wiggins with 21 receptions for 133 yds

2002 Bucs
- 32yr old Keenen McCardell (61 receptions for 670 yds)
- KeyShawn Johnson (76 receptions for 1088yds)
- Ken Dilger was TE (34 receptions for 329yds)

2005 Steelers
- Hines Ward (69 receptions for 975 yds)
- Antwaan Randle El (35 receptions for 558 yds)
- Heath Miller @ TE (39 receptions for 459 yds)

2007 Giants
- Plaxico Burress (70 receptions for 1025 yds)
- Amani Toomer (59 receptions for 760 yds)
- Jeremy Shockey @ TE (57 receptions for 619 yds)

2012 Ravens
- no receiver with more than 65 receptions or 921 yds

2013 Seahawks
- one receiver with 64 receptions for 898 yds and the second with 50 receptions and 778 yds (where TE was a scrub)

There were other teams borderline and indeed a few that had two very good receivers (again few) but it's not a requirement for success. The only trend I noted was that the majority of Super Bowl winners had top tier defenses.

Thus you're drum beating for a #2 receiver is likely misguided and should possibly instead be directed to the defense and our inability to stop the run so far. If anything that has the highest probability of being our achilles heel should we make the playoffs and look to play in February.

For the record, I'm not necessarily a Gute fan as I wasn't a far of Gary or our first two picks this year and would have loved to see Cephus in a Packers uniform with the 4th we lost moving up but then again you can rate drafts for 3 years and so his actions sit in the "jury is still out" category to me.

Except those teams had top end defenses.

Specifically Tampa Bay, Seattle and Baltimore which were all time great defenses. Our defense isn’t even in the same breath as those ones you listed. It would actually be disrespectful to even compare.

I have been posting PFF ratings to pretty much support all of my views. I suppose they are wrong just like me. While PFF may not be the Bible of player rankings it’s a very respected source. I have challenged people to show me something better and miraculously they can’t produce anything.

Edit; Also I’m taking about a “No.2 Option” so it doesn’t necessarily needs to be a WR. It could be a TE as well like the Chiefs use with Kelce etc etc.

[Spaulding]

Except those teams had top end defenses.

Specifically Tampa Bay, Seattle and Baltimore which were all time great defenses. Our defense isn’t even in the same breath as those ones you listed. It would actually be disrespectful to even compare.

I have been posting PFF ratings to pretty much support all of my views. I suppose they are wrong just like me. While PFF may not be the Bible of player rankings it’s a very respected source. I have challenged people to show me something better and miraculously they can’t produce anything.

Edit; Also I’m taking about a “No.2 Option” so it doesn’t necessarily needs to be a WR. It could be a TE as well like the Chiefs use with Kelce etc etc.

One could argue then that Aaron Jones is the "No. 2 Option" you pine for. None of those teams I listed had a RB that was also a threat receiving. Also, although I agree that MVS/Lazard/TE crew with the drops aren't much right now, it's a young season with young players and no training camps/pre-season to improve. If come December MVS hasn't figured out how to consistently catch the ball, St. Brown never sees the field and the young TE's don't improve I would be more open to your drum banging for another threat. However it's way too early and too small of a sample to make blanket statements.

[GB-Brandon]

One could argue then that Aaron Jones is the "No. 2 Option" you pine for. None of those teams I listed had a RB that was also a threat receiving. Also, although I agree that MVS/Lazard/TE crew with the drops aren't much right now, it's a young season with young players and no training camps/pre-season to improve. If come December MVS hasn't figured out how to consistently catch the ball, St. Brown never sees the field and the young TE's don't improve I would be more open to your drum banging for another threat. However it's way too early and too small of a sample to make blanket statements.

We simply can’t take that chance. There is just too much at stake IMO to roll the dice with a 36/Yo generational QB playing the way he is. With Funches and St. Brown already looking like complete non-factors there isn’t much left after MVS,Lazard and Adams other then Ervin. I’m not sure Ervin is even a legit every down option if called upon. To think all these guys will stay healthy for the rest of the season is a long shot. We will need to beat better competition at some point. We have some time to go until the trade deadline but the sooner the better IMO as it gives as much time possible for that new player to gel in this system.

Yes, Aaron jones is somewhat a second option and a nice weapon that can be used in the passing game. However; I would really prefer to have someone else on the outside either a TE or Receiver that can help create more mismatch’s and keep this offense rolling against top competition.

If the Packers and Gute sit pat with this arsenal and Rodgers takes these guys and wins a Super Bowl then they should build a statue of him in front of Lambeau immediately. That is how remarkable that would be to accomplish.

[run pMc]

Ervin is not designed to be an every down option. He's a KR/PR with value as a gadget piece. When you see guys who run a 4.41 going in motion, you have to honor the threat of a jet sweep.

One thing MLF does that I like (and M3 did in his early days) is lots of substitutions. It forces the defense to react, and if you have flexible players (H-Backs and receiving backs) you can trot out a group from the sideline that can go heavy or spread. With Ervin I could see them using him a lot if there was a matchup they wanted to exploit - both he and Jones should be able to burn LBs in pass routes.

If Adams catches 80-90 and Jones catches 50, that's not so terrible IF the MVS/Lazard/TE contingent can pick up some slack. Based on the numbers so far they are well on their way to that. I have a sneaking suspicion Malik Taylor is going to get his chance in the next few weeks unless he doesn't do something really dumb.

All of which is to say that it would be nice to have a proven rock solid #2WR, but they can (and have) gotten by without one.

I continue to think run defense is a bigger concern. Kamara, Murray and Hill will give them a challenge on Sunday night.

Remember when Troy Brown played WR and CB for Patriots? Maybe we should get Kabion Ento or Jaire to do that.

[GB-Brandon]

Ervin is not designed to be an every down option. He's a KR/PR with value as a gadget piece. When you see guys who run a 4.41 going in motion, you have to honor the threat of a jet sweep.

One thing MLF does that I like (and M3 did in his early days) is lots of substitutions. It forces the defense to react, and if you have flexible players (H-Backs and receiving backs) you can trot out a group from the sideline that can go heavy or spread. With Ervin I could see them using him a lot if there was a matchup they wanted to exploit - both he and Jones should be able to burn LBs in pass routes.

If Adams catches 80-90 and Jones catches 50, that's not so terrible IF the MVS/Lazard/TE contingent can pick up some slack. Based on the numbers so far they are well on their way to that. I have a sneaking suspicion Malik Taylor is going to get his chance in the next few weeks unless he doesn't do something really dumb.

All of which is to say that it would be nice to have a proven rock solid #2WR, but they can (and have) gotten by without one.

I continue to think run defense is a bigger concern. Kamara, Murray and Hill will give them a challenge on Sunday night.

Remember when Troy Brown played WR and CB for Patriots? Maybe we should get Kabion Ento or Jaire to do that.

This is when you wave the white flag!!!

[GB-Brandon]

Karma is not going to be friendly regarding all this. That’s for sure!!!

[bobblehead]

Not sure how simply posting ratings from what most believe a reliable source to be “Sucking The Love Out Of Watching Football”

I suppose we can all just sit here and tell each other what we want to hear.

So you agree that Rick Wagner is a better Tackle than Brian Bulaga.