Official 2020 Packers vs New Orleans Saints Week 3

[texaspackerbacker]

Lizard emerging as a consistent threat
Big Bobby Tonyan, the guy I’ve been the biggest hater of developing into a guy 12 counts on. Solid pass pro. Solid run blocking. Solid routes and hands.
Great running back group with two guys 12 loves to play with and do everything well
Adams
Jones
12
Solid OL.

Look out, aints!

Of all our TEs, Tonyan is the one I'm the least negative about.

As for the Saints, look what the Raiders did to them, and we have a much better QB, better RB(s), I'd say much better WRs, and while I wouldn't say it, a lot of people in here think our O Line is plenty good too.

And although it isn't a sure thing yet, it kinda looks like Thomas will be out again for them - will Davante be back for us? I'd say more likely than Thomas for them, and I'd also say what we have beyond our #1 WR is better than what they have. And if anybody is gonna say Kamara is better than A. Jones, hell no to that! And maybe you thought so, Brandon, but I didn't think Brees looked all that good. He's never as good as Rodgers, and now he's not even as good as he has been in the past. If their D gave Oakland oops, LV, 24, then we ought to well up in the 30s at least in the empty Super Dome.

[texaspackerbacker]

Brandon, I agree with what you said about penalties and "why not score 50?". So far, the Packers either have had better coverage discipline or different refs who didn't call them that way (or maybe our DBs in many cases just couldn't stay close enough to get called for PI - sorry, I shouldn't have said that hahahaha).

I'm far from calling Gutekunst a great GM, especially after the last draft, but he absolutely isn't as bad as you make him out to be. 13-3/2-0.

[run pMc]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

[Tony Oday]

I think Thomas will play this week otherwise he would have been put on IR for 3 games.

Kamara is terrifying so we need to score and score a lot.

[GB-Brandon]

I think Thomas will play this week otherwise he would have been put on IR for 3 games.

Kamara is terrifying so we need to score and score a lot.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2909921-saints-wr-michael-thomas-reportedly-to-miss-2-4-weeks-with-ankle-injury

[GB-Brandon]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

Depends on what the expectations are? If expectations are to win a Super Bowl more needs to be done. The 6 drops on Sunday are very concerning. This will catch up with us against better teams. If your expectations are winning the North and falling short of a Lombardi then your just fine. IMO with Rodgers being 36 and playing the way he is anything but a Championship is a failure at this point. Maybe some of you believe in 2nd place trophy’s. I don’t.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/21/matt-lafleur-packers-had-6-drops-vs-lions/

[bobblehead]

Another quick observation. Scoring is way up across the league. The reffs are calling just about anything pass interference. If you tap someone now on the side it’s a “blind side block”. Holding calls are way down. There are so many rules favorable to the offense that it’s almost impossible to have any type of shut down defense.

It’s clear the NFL wants points and excitement for the casual fan. This is like when Major League Baseball juiced up the balls. All the more reason to go get another weapon amongst the many others.

I'd rather go get a run stuffing tackle or an elite ILB. Just sayin' all those 1's in our offensive ranking don't make anyone but you think we are short weapons.

[GB-Brandon]

I'd rather go get a run stuffing tackle or an elite ILB. Just sayin' all those 1's in our offensive ranking don't make anyone but you think we are short weapons.

That’s fine but it’s a bit of “Fools Gold”. Mitch Trubisky tore up that Lions defense and Queens got exposed again by the Colts.

It hardly time to banging our chests on offense. Not with the ratings and how many drops there has been.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...h-ankle-injury

Thomas is also seeing the Packers’ hotshot foot specialist this week, so that’s a good sign he ain’t gonna play. I know, ethics call for MDs to keep medical stuff secret, but ethics didn’t stop the foot doc from revealing the cause of Cam Newton’s foot injury to Pettine prior to the Pack-Panthers game last season.

[texaspackerbacker]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

I can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't complaining that they didn't score 50, just saying they could have if maybe they'd cleaned up the red zone stuff, etc. Some people are claiming that we did this against bad defenses ...... no, the Vikings are not that bad, and they did not get handled by the Colts nearly as bad as the Packers handled them. Detroit may not be very good, but they aren't horrible either.

+1 what you said about Gutekunst.

Mostly +1 about the Saints too.

[GB-Brandon]

I can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't complaining that they didn't score 50, just saying they could have if maybe they'd cleaned up the red zone stuff, etc. Some people are claiming that we did this against bad defenses ...... no, the Vikings are not that bad, and they did not get handled by the Colts nearly as bad as the Packers handled them. Detroit may not be very good, but they aren't horrible either.

+1 what you said about Gutekunst.

Mostly +1 about the Saints too.

I’d love to hear who you think is bad and horrible then.

[texaspackerbacker]

Jets, Bengals, Jaguars, Falcons to name a few.

[GB-Brandon]

Jets, Bengals, Jaguars, Falcons to name a few.

Falcons are like the Seahawks. Jag’s might have something going with Minshew.

I’d say Bengals are comparable and Jets obviously worse. That’s still isn’t saying much about who we’ve played.

[hoosier]

Are ppl complaining about not scoring 50? LOL
If not for a couple of bad drops they might have. I don't think MLF pulled a M3 and took his foot off the gas, unless you count keeping Adams off the field for next week. Winning by 21 in the NFL is not easy or common. GB was the only team to do it in week 2 (there were a couple of 18 point victories). If the defense showed up for the 4Q of MIN game the score would've looked ugly for MIN.

I think it's early to call Gute a great GM, but so far his moves have been mostly positive. It's way early on this year's picks, but the Alexander, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, and MVS picks look like they will pan out to varying degrees (anywhere from contributor to star). The Jordan Love pick is controversial, but he's done it with an eye towards having a successor groomed. Better to have a QB before you need one than draft one out of need. He's been very successful IMO with free agency except for Jimmy Graham. He's managed things with the COVID changes, a new coach in MLF, and made moves to keep the franchise relevant now and into the future... without giving up a bunch of picks, or blowing up the roster or the cap.
I don't love every move he's made, but I can usually see the rationalization and agree with the direction, if not the method.

As for the Saints... not having Thomas hurts them, and I agree that Brees' deep ball isn't good anymore. He can still hit the throws to move the chains and be efficient, which could keep Rodgers & Jones on the sidelines. Brees has had a slow start to the year and I'd expect him to be motivated to get going. Also agree stopping Kamara will be a key, as well as the usual things (no turnovers, limit penalties, etc.). With a limited number of fans allowed in the dome noise shouldn't be a factor like it can be. A lot depends on injuries and GB's defense getting off the field, but this is a winnable game for Packers. Right now it looks like NO is favored as the home team by 3.5 but that line will probably change.

Good post

[run pMc]

I think on a neutral field MIN beats Jets, Bengals, Jags and loses to Falcons. I'll throw the Giants and Redskins in there too -- I think MIN would beat them. Maybe Carolina. I think they'd beat DET head to head. Not sure about CHI. They look like they are going to struggle this year but I could see them getting hot if the young guys figure it out and gel. Zimmer's got a lot of work to do. Kubiak too. They look like a 7-9 team at best, which suits me fine because I don't root for the Vikes unless they play the Bears.

I think Detroit has a problem keeping leads. They have a decent offense - they played GB with 2 backup OL, and their backups < GB's backups. I'd think they beat NYJ, CIN, NYG, lose to CAR, WAS, ATL, JAX, MIN. They look like they're headed for 4 or 5 wins and Bob Quinn firing Patricia to keep his job.

DET and MIN might not be playoff teams, but they are division foes and so I tend to throw a lot of things out the window. The teams know each other well and have rivalries. Last year GB almost lost to David Blough and Bo Scarborough in week 17 with a bye on the line. Patricia has done well against the Packers historically, and winning at US Bank has been a rarity for the Packers...I refuse to consider wins against them gimmes. They would have to play historically bad for me to think otherwise.