Official 2020 Packers vs New Orleans Saints Week 3

[GB-Brandon]

While I am totally in the boat that the Packers screwed the pooch on WR in the draft the last couple of years, I'm not sure I'm in the boat on a mid season trade. All reports are it takes a good while for AR and his WR's, regardless of WHO they are, to get on the same page, route running, and confidence level. Would a trade for a guy who knows nothing of the playbook and AR's expectations be better than the guys AR has been working with the last couple of years? Not sure about that.

I agree with familiarity but after MVS, Adams and Lazard there isn’t much familiarity at all. The chances are all 3 of these guys won’t stay healthy the rest of the way. I would much rather have a solid vet that is talented then going down even another level with the Packers reserves.

Look at it as an insurance policy.

[GB-Brandon]

I can't get a handle on this defense yet. In the 4th quarter of Game 1 and the 1st quarter of Game 2 they allowed TD's on 5 consecutive drives for 38 points. Before and after those 2 quarters they've allowed 17 points in 6 quarters.

We haven’t been able to “Get A Handle” on this defense for 10 years though.

[GB-Brandon]

For sure. Wagner and Kirksey both look like really good moves to patch things up at a lower cost. Just talking reality that we have some drop off with Martinez, Williams and fackrell all playing roles that we miss a little. It's a salary cap league so it's understandable just not seamless

It’s also a league that has a draft that should be used to mainline talent into those deficiencies at salary cap friendly prices if your a TRUE CONTENDER.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We’re not gonna be a “dominant run stopping team” with or without Clark. People need to put that pipe dream to bed. The best we can hope for is a repeat of last years defense IMO at this point. Maybe a little better vs the pass in 3rd and long towards the end of the season. That’s about it.

In other words, the Packers are paying Clark $18M a year to produce 4-6 sacks a season against cupcakes.

They could’ve extended Jones and still have spare change left for King and maybe Bak, too.

[Upnorth]

Shutdown was an overstatement by me. I will admit that. Clark is a Pro Bowl level player and arguably an all pro level player. Feel free to argue that but you aren't right in saying he is a milksop at any level.

[GB-Brandon]

In other words, the Packers are paying Clark $18M a year to produce 4-6 sacks a season against cupcakes.

They could’ve extended Jones and still have spare change left for King and maybe Bak, too.

Your Preaching to the Choir man. That is the dysfunction of the Green Bay Packers front office and the way they do things.

Then to make it worse Some fans throw a “Temper Tantrum” over getting a legit receiver to go with Adams and how we can’t afford it Etc Etc: but just accept and don’t bat an eye paying Adrian Amos 10 million dollars to be a Fucken JAG!! And then their answer to everything is “We Need More Defense”. Fucken stuck on Stupid!!!

This is exactly “In Motion” why we only have 1 Super Bowl over the last 10 years. They don’t get it and never will. They don’t know how to change!!! l say “Free Aaron Rodgers” and go be mediocre in your little hole!

[GB-Brandon]

They sit there and band stand every year how we have all this Fucken talent on defense and they just want more when things fail.

They are like #HeroinJunkies

[run pMc]

I actually think Amos was a decent signing. The safety position was a dumpster fire before they signed him and drafted Savage (remember Tramon at safety?), and it still might not be fully settled. They desperately needed to fix that spot, and trading HaHa seemed weird until you realized he wasn't any better than Tramon.

I think it's naive to suggest you don't sign defensive players to second contracts. Last year the defense bailed the offense out numerous times, and the Smith signings were widely seen as very successful. As for Clark, he makes a shitton of money, but young DT's who can play the run and pass effectively are values by teams and the market prices them accordingly.

Is Clark worth $18M, or whatever? Ehhh, I dunno. Is Ryan Tannehill worth $30M, or Blake Martinez worth $10M? Apparently that's how the market is for players who produce. You are getting production, but at a steep cost.
If you don't have players who can step in, you either sign them or hope you can work around the deficiency.
By now they were hoping Mt.Ravenous Adams would've turned into a starter, but I think he's done and they will have to draft someone else. I also think they realized Lowry is overpaid and he will be a renegotiation target unless he discovers pass rushing. Keke isn't bad. So... they don't really have a built-in successor to Clark. Whaddya do? Draft 5 WRs and try to win games 50-49 until the snow flies and the winds howl?

Based on last year, where would you rank Clark among defensive players on the team? Is he the best? 3rd best?

[GB-Brandon]

I actually think Amos was a decent signing. The safety position was a dumpster fire before they signed him and drafted Savage (remember Tramon at safety?), and it still might not be fully settled. They desperately needed to fix that spot, and trading HaHa seemed weird until you realized he wasn't any better than Tramon.

I think it's naive to suggest you don't sign defensive players to second contracts. Last year the defense bailed the offense out numerous times, and the Smith signings were widely seen as very successful. As for Clark, he makes a shitton of money, but young DT's who can play the run and pass effectively are values by teams and the market prices them accordingly.

Is Clark worth $18M, or whatever? Ehhh, I dunno. Is Ryan Tannehill worth $30M, or Blake Martinez worth $10M? Apparently that's how the market is for players who produce. You are getting production, but at a steep cost.
If you don't have players who can step in, you either sign them or hope you can work around the deficiency.
By now they were hoping Mt.Ravenous Adams would've turned into a starter, but I think he's done and they will have to draft someone else. I also think they realized Lowry is overpaid and he will be a renegotiation target unless he discovers pass rushing. Keke isn't bad. So... they don't really have a built-in successor to Clark. Whaddya do? Draft 5 WRs and try to win games 50-49 until the snow flies and the winds howl?

Based on last year, where would you rank Clark among defensive players on the team? Is he the best? 3rd best?

Then we get people that take it to extreme like this. However; the Packers have pretty much done the exact opposite of drafting 5 WR’s. It’s like this form of denial I’ve noticed some Packer fans are in. The fact is this discussion has been going on for ten years and the defense hasn’t really improved. It’s always “Well this guy this and or that guy that but it didn’t work out” is the end result.

It comes down to the definition of Insanity which is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. The Packers front office has shown they are officially “Insane” considering what they have at QB and how they have gone about it.

BTW, Aaron looked just fine at Lambeau in a cold howling wind game against the Seahawks. The Chiefs didn’t seem to have a problem with weather issues either at Arrowhead in the playoff last year. When you have a QB that can throw a ball that “Cuts Wind” you use that to your advantage!!!!’ You don’t put it into hibernation!!!!

[Joemailman]

[Joemailman]

I hope they leave Turner on the bench. Would be nice to have the same starting OL 2 games in a row.

[Upnorth]

Don't like seeing Clark and Adams not participating at all. Concerning, especially Clark when we are facing kamara

[Joemailman]

Don't like seeing Clark and Adams not participating at all. Concerning, especially Clark when we are facing kamara

Last week Kamara rushed for less than 4 YPC. But he caught 9 passes for 95 yards. Good test for Barnes, Greene etc.

[GB-Brandon]

Don't like seeing Clark and Adams not participating at all. Concerning, especially Clark when we are facing kamara

But I thought we were just fine at WR? From what RG posted he probably isn’t playing.

[GB-Brandon]

Why do we need Adams? Gute has done such an amazing job weaponizing the offense!!! According to many here we should be just fine and dandy!!!