Packers All-Time Team

[HarveyWallbangers]

OG

Pretty obvious top 4. Ron Hallstrom had career longevity, but was never considered much better than average. T.J. Lang had a couple of Pro Bowl nods, but couldn't match the other four player's multiple All-Pro selections. He deserves consideration as a 5th OG though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OC

I've added Ringo to my All-Time Team, removing Al Harris for now. It's another obvious top 3 with Ringo, McCarren, and Winters. Scott Wells and Corey Linsley were solid for many years, but not enough to make it on the team. If Linsley resigns with the Packers and has 2-3 more good seasons, he will get consideration.

[HarveyWallbangers]

DE

The top four (White, Davis, Aldrdige, Kampman) were relatively easy picks. Robert Brown had a higher career AV than KGB, but he was never more than average. KGB is iffy, but four consecutive 10+ sack seasons puts him on the team. Not sure what to make of Ezra Johnson. I always thought of him as a good player, but he only made one Pro Bowl team and doesn't have a very high career AV. I wonder what his AV would be if they counted sacks before 1982.

[HarveyWallbangers]

DT

Pretty pathetic group actually. Jordan was a Hall of Famer. Kostelnik was a solid player on 5 championship teams. The final spot came down to Gilbert Brown vs. Santana Doston. An argument can be made for either. Kenny Clark probably bumps off Brown with two more good seasons.

[HarveyWallbangers]

LB

Nitschke, Matthews, Robinson, and Carr were locks. After that, it was tough. Caffey and Harris were better at their peak than others, but their Packers careers were relatively short. Then, you had a bunch of average or above average players who started for a long time (John Anderson, A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett, Mike Douglass, George Koonce, Johnny Holland, Brian Noble). I went with the two studs in Caffey and Harris. Anderson's career AV was quite a bit higher than the other--mostly because he started for 10 years. He was also named to the NFL's All-1980's team (second team)--which was surprising to me. That gave him the nod for me.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Not to act like a smartass, but time commenced at the birth of the Big Bang. “All-time” denotes Big Bang to the present. The title of this thread is misleading.

Masthay is the GOAT punter? That’s disrespectful to BJ Sander, Jon Ryan and even Craig Hentrich.

[HarveyWallbangers]

CB

Another tough position group. Woodson, Adderley, Bob Jeter, Willie Buchanon, and Ken Ellie were locks. The next group were all similar. Mark Lee was a long-time starter, he even led the league with 9 interceptions one year. He didn't have any Pro Bowl or All-Pro seasons, but Pro Football Reference actually gave him a high career AV--indicating he was underappreciated. I just remember him being pretty average, but my recollection could be wrong. Then, you had a bunch of players (Tramon Williams, Al Harris, Tyrone Williams, Doug Evans) who deserve consideration with similar career AVs.

[HarveyWallbangers]

S

Hall of Famer Willie Wood, LeRoy Butler (who deserves a Hall of Fame nod IMHO), and Nick Collins (who was on pace for a Hall of Fame career) are a great start. After that though, not much. Two long-terrm starters with high career AVs who weren't much better than average in Johnnie Gray and Mark Murphy. That's about it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

ST

Crosby was an easy selection. Masthay was the best of a bad group. We haven't had many good punters. I wanted to find a way to get Travis Williams on the team as a returner, but his career was so short.

[GB-Brandon]

Is this thread supposed to make us feel better about our Front Office’s failure to put a team together to get over the hump?

[Joemailman]

LB

Nitschke, Matthews, Robinson, and Carr were locks. After that, it was tough. Caffey and Harris were better at their peak than others, but their Packers careers were relatively short. Then, you had a bunch of average or above average players who started for a long time (John Anderson, A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett, Mike Douglass, George Koonce, Johnny Holland, Brian Noble). I went with the two studs in Caffey and Harris. Anderson's career AV was quite a bit higher than the other--mostly because he started for 10 years. He was also named to the NFL's All-1980's team (second team)--which was surprising to me. That gave him the nod for me.

Anderson's pass coverage skills definitely qualify him. He had 25 career INT's, tied with Nitschke for most by a Packer LB.

[StPaulPackFan]

RB

Brockington is another borderline player here. I could see taking him a spot over somebody else at another position.

I was pretty young when he played but I'll always remember my dad calling him 'effing fumble fingers', but with the actual f-word.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm too young for Brockington, but it's interesting that he had 1 fumble for every 62 touches.

Ahman Green had 1 fumble for every 65 touches.
Jim Taylor had 1 fumble for every 64 touches.
Dorsey Levens had 1 fumble for every 119 touches.
Ryan Grant had 1 fumble for every 117 touches.
Paul Hornung had 1 fumble for every 49 touches.
Gerry Ellis had 1 fumble for every 33 touches.
Eddie Lacy had 1 fumble for every 121 touches.
Aaron Jones has 1 fumble for every 130 touches.
Edgar Bennett had 1 fumble for every 140 touches.

In terms of ball security, this is the order of the top 10 RBs in modern Packers history:

Edgar Bennett (140), Aaron Jones (130), Eddie Lacy (121), Dorsey Levens (119), Ryan Grant (117)
Ahman Green (65), Jim Taylor (64), John Brockington (62)
Paul Hornung (49), Gerry Ellis (33)

[GB-Brandon]

Could the “All-Time Team” got us a win last Sunday? What “All-Time Coach” would we need to secure that win for us?

I think I know who? LOL

[sharpe1027]

Another tough one. Their AV was almost identical. Dotson was the slightly better all-around player, but Brown's longevity gave him a slightly higher AV total. I also took into consideration the Gravedigger's popularity among the Packers faithful. I might have to put up these close decision up for a vote.

They were very different players, which complicates the comparison. Are you excluding time spent with another team from the analysis? That would shift away from Dotson.