Official Fire Chuck Berry Thread

[texaspackerbacker]

It's just possible we got beat by a fairly decent team fired up and playing good. I said before the game, Winston is feast or famine. well, he was feast last week. I'd say maybe 60-70% of the D problems comes from playing Kevin King. That doesn't let Barry off the hook, as it's undoubtedly his decision to start King and to use him in man coverage so often. Jaire was his usual self; The Safetys were fairly decent; The ILBs weren't horrible in pass coverage. Our D Line and our OLBs mostly got beat by the N.O. O Line. If those guys struggle against a much weaker Lion O Line, then we have a lingering problem, but I think they will be ok. So it boils down to how bad King fucks things up - I think not bad enough for our offense to overcome it. If Barry values his job, though, he better replace King with Stokes sooner rather than later.

I'm watching Lovie Smith's Houston D for the second week in a row. I'm still willing to give Barry a chance, but as of now, I wish we'd hired Lovie instead of Barry.

[run pMc]

It's just possible we got beat by a fairly decent team fired up and playing good. I said before the game, Winston is feast or famine. well, he was feast last week. I'd say maybe 60-70% of the D problems comes from playing Kevin King. That doesn't let Barry off the hook, as it's undoubtedly his decision to start King and to use him in man coverage so often. Jaire was his usual self; The Safetys were fairly decent; The ILBs weren't horrible in pass coverage. Our D Line and our OLBs mostly got beat by the N.O. O Line. If those guys struggle against a much weaker Lion O Line, then we have a lingering problem, but I think they will be ok. So it boils down to how bad King fucks things up - I think not bad enough for our offense to overcome it. If Barry values his job, though, he better replace King with Stokes sooner rather than later.

I'm watching Lovie Smith's Houston D for the second week in a row. I'm still willing to give Barry a chance, but as of now, I wish we'd hired Lovie instead of Barry.

I think Darnell Savage and Devondre Campbell did not have great games, and I think Kevin King will see less snaps than Stokes either via performance or injury by week 6. He's lost speed from his injuries.
Overall the communication in the secondary was not good. Winston threw 5 TD and 6 incompletions - those are Rodgers numbers - and he did that while being under 200 yards passing. That's U-G-L-Y.
NO's OL is very good...better than GB's DL.
Berry didn't really blitz much, and they didn't do a good job of containing Winston in the pocket or making him uncomfortable, which is how you get him to make bad plays.
Rashan Gary crashed inside too much and lost contain, and they took advantage of that as well.

TOP was important - GB's D was tired in the 1st half from all the running plays they couldn't stop.

MLF panicked and got away from running the ball, especially to Dillon. Shoulda rode him more if Jones was having an off day. NO played 2-shell vs. blitzing like last time, and a banged up NO secondary stepped up. Maybe Hurricane Ida inspired them. GB has to be able to run against 2 safety looks; until they are everyone will copy what NO did.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think Darnell Savage and Devondre Campbell did not have great games, and I think Kevin King will see less snaps than Stokes either via performance or injury by week 6. He's lost speed from his injuries.
Overall the communication in the secondary was not good. Winston threw 5 TD and 6 incompletions - those are Rodgers numbers - and he did that while being under 200 yards passing. That's U-G-L-Y.
NO's OL is very good...better than GB's DL.
Berry didn't really blitz much, and they didn't do a good job of containing Winston in the pocket or making him uncomfortable, which is how you get him to make bad plays.
Rashan Gary crashed inside too much and lost contain, and they took advantage of that as well.

TOP was important - GB's D was tired in the 1st half from all the running plays they couldn't stop.

MLF panicked and got away from running the ball, especially to Dillon. Shoulda rode him more if Jones was having an off day. NO played 2-shell vs. blitzing like last time, and a banged up NO secondary stepped up. Maybe Hurricane Ida inspired them. GB has to be able to run against 2 safety looks; until they are everyone will copy what NO did.

I pretty much agree with you except for this line: "MLF panicked and got away from running the ball, especially to Dillon." I'd like to hear what LaFleur would say if somebody asked him that. Keeping on running the ball when it isn't working is not the way to run and offense. You take what they are giving you early, and then if you get behind, you do what you need to do which usually is pass it.

[Fritz]

I pretty much agree with you except for this line: "MLF panicked and got away from running the ball, especially to Dillon." I'd like to hear what LaFleur would say if somebody asked him that. Keeping on running the ball when it isn't working is not the way to run and offense. You take what they are giving you early, and then if you get behind, you do what you need to do which usually is pass it.

Hmmm. So you think the Packers should abandon the run the first time it doesn't work . . . And your name is "Tex". . . Hmmm . . . I think you are in fact Mike McCarthy stalking a Packer discussion board.

We're on to you, Mike. How's things in Dallas?

[Upnorth]

I pretty much agree with you except for this line: "MLF panicked and got away from running the ball, especially to Dillon." I'd like to hear what LaFleur would say if somebody asked him that. Keeping on running the ball when it isn't working is not the way to run and offense. You take what they are giving you early, and then if you get behind, you do what you need to do which usually is pass it.

Dillion was taking what was given and then about 3 more yards per attempt. He is built for these games and they screwed up by leavong him on the bench. In a cover 2 he will get you yards.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hmmm. So you think the Packers should abandon the run the first time it doesn't work . . . And your name is "Tex". . . Hmmm . . . I think you are in fact Mike McCarthy stalking a Packer discussion board.

We're on to you, Mike. How's things in Dallas?

Seems like I answered that in some thread hahahaha. Yeah, what's that line about the definition of insanity? doing the same thing and expecting a different result? I think McCarthy is hoping it works the other way too - if he does the same in Dallas as he did in Green Bay, they'll win most of the time there too.

[texaspackerbacker]

Dillion was taking what was given and then about 3 more yards per attempt. He is built for these games and they screwed up by leavong him on the bench. In a cover 2 he will get you yards.

I don't recall the score when he had that success running, but I don't think it was in our favor. Near the end of the half, and we had the ball what? once? three plays? BTW, run 3 times for 3 yards each, and you get to 4th and 1 - and I doubt you see cover 2 then.

I remember Woody Hays. Some of ya'all woulda love him.

[George Cumby]

In their opening drive, the Lions gutted the Packers D.

Fire Chuck Berry now.

[Bretsky]

He's horrible

[smuggler]

Yikes. I definitely felt firing Pettine was too knee-jerk... Hopefully things get better soon.

[Bretsky]

You aren't going to land about the best Defensive Coordinator in College football by offering him the same salary he makes in college

And if this is what we are stuck with you should have doubled the offer

[George Cumby]

This defense couldn't find its' ass with both hands.

[th87]

Yikes. I definitely felt firing Pettine was too knee-jerk... Hopefully things get better soon.

Pettine sucked balls. It's just that the Packers managed to hire someone worse.

[SudsMcBucky]

Pettine sucked balls. It's just that the Packers managed to hire someone worse.

And this is where the Packers really fucked up. I had no problem with them moving on from Pettine, but if you're going to do that, you better damn well have a plan in place BEFORE doing it to UPGRADE.

[Joemailman]

I wasn't thrilled with the choice of Barry. But we don't know yet whether it was a bad hire, or whether this is a defense going through some growing pains with a new coordinator. The stats are ugly though. 30th in hurries. 32nd in sacks. 25th in rushing YPC. 29th in rushing yards given up. 27th in passer rating allowed.