WHICH QUATERBACK PLAYS PLAYS ON THE GREEN BAY PACKERS TEAM LONGER ??

[Bretsky]

Is Guter going to eat Crow, restructure and extend AROD 4-5 years down the road, or hold tight with his plans for da Lov Machine

[Bretsky]

It's been a popular debate on radio lately.

Clearly AROD wants an extension that would both help GB cap wise but also offer him some security for 4-5 more years to finish his career with the Green Bay Packers

Clearly this was not GUTE's plan when he spent a 1st round AND 4th round draft pick on last year's 3rd string QB Jordan Love. I'm not sure it's even his plan now but he has to be feeling some pressure after some of the comments AROD has made as well as his performance.

So it's a fair question.

Which QB plays for Green Bay Longer ? If we extend Rodgers 4-5 years, that could go through Love's contract more.

So does Gutebag eat crow, and trade hisboy ? Or does he play hard core with AROD and not give in to Rodgers wanting to extend and secure his spot as a Packer for the rest of his career ?

What says the Ratpack ?

Who's in GB longer ???

[MadScientist]

The Packers are screwed by the Covid Cap Cut. As it stands they have to cut P. Smith and Lowery just to get under the cap and would likely have to do more to sign the rookies. They will likely give Rodgers the extension he wants to get cap relief. While they could make it manageable to cut Rodgers after 2023, doing so would mean having to pick up Love's 5th year option and going with him with a lot of uncertainty. So unless Rodgers has an injury this year or next and Love plays brilliantly, Rodgers will be here longer and Love will be traded after 2022, and probably become a franchise QB somewhere else.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm not negative about Gutekunst - not yet anyway. He took a small step in that direction by choosing to not franchise Aaron Jones. He will take a major step in that direction if he fails to keep Jones. But if he ever was so supremely bonehead stupid to choose Love over squeezing every year out of the time we can have Aaron Rodgers, well, as much as I love dogs, I'd advocate giving him the Dan Devine treatment.

My projection for Jordan Love is 60/40 he becomes an adequate NFL starter (think Kirk Cousins), and about 25/75 he becomes a NFL star quality QB (by that I mean maybe Matt Ryan or Matthew Stafford quality), and about 1 in 1,000 he ends up as good as Aaron Rodgers for his career.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Clearly AROD wants an extension that would both help GB cap wise but also offer him some security for 4-5 more years to finish his career with the Green Bay Packers

I doubt an extension is in the works. I'm thinking they are figuring out how much, if any, of his other bonuses they can convert to a signing bonus to clear some cap space this year. I think Rodgers play has extended his timeline with the Packers until after the 2022 season. If he had played like he did the last couple of years, they may have parted ways after 2021. I think they want to convert enough to give them breathing room on the cap this year--while not hamstringing them if they want to move on after 2022.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The Packers are screwed by the Covid Cap Cut. As it stands they have to cut P. Smith and Lowery just to get under the cap and would likely have to do more to sign the rookies. They will likely give Rodgers the extension he wants to get cap relief. While they could make it manageable to cut Rodgers after 2023, doing so would mean having to pick up Love's 5th year option and going with him with a lot of uncertainty. So unless Rodgers has an injury this year or next and Love plays brilliantly, Rodgers will be here longer and Love will be traded after 2022, and probably become a franchise QB somewhere else.

They don't have to sign him to an extension to give themselves relief. They can convert roster bonuses and such to a signing bonus to clear cap space. They can do that without the player's consent. I think the Packers way is to do it amicable and up front. Why wouldn't a player want the money up front though? It's a win-win for both team and player. There are plenty of other guys they can do the same with to clear cap space (Rodgers, Z. Smith, Turner, Amos). A contract extension for Davante Adams would also clear cap space this year.

Their financial situation is not as dire as it's may out to be. Many other teams are in the process of doing the same thing. New Orleans is the only team that is in dire shape.

[Upnorth]

There are options to make space without a rodgers extension as Harvey has shown above. I think it is foolish to plan that our 37 yr old MVP qb will still be effective past age 40. Qbs playing well past age 40 are substantially rarer than qbs who go to the hof. Play the odds imo.

[Joemailman]

I don't think Rodgers gets an extension. I think he likely gets to play out his contract through through 2023. At that point Love takes over. LaFleur's offense is a quarterback-friendly system. Jared Goff had his best season with LaFleur as his OC. I think Packers will be confident they can continue to have an elite passing offense post-Rodgers.

[Upnorth]

If we can find a few wr over then next 3 years the transition from rodgers to love (or whoever we get that has skill) will be smoothish.

I hope we pick at least one more qb between now and then. And i look forward to the drama when they do.

I remember how the brohm pick proved rodgers was a bust.

[Fritz]

I'm guessing they don't extend but restructure Rodgers's contract. It sounds like, instead, they can get a bunch of cap space by restructuring and/or extending Dr. Z's contract. He says he wants to be a Packer for life.

[bobblehead]

This question is impossible to answer without knowing Rodgers demands. Does he want to extend 2 more years at $20 million each and convert this years salary to signing bonus? Then by all means deal Love for whatever you can get. Does he want $40 million? Then deal him and move on.

We had a discussion earlier about overpaying all these QBs. I think if this offseason has shown us anything its the consequences of giving your QB a record deal.

Brady wants to win. He picked his spot and signed for $25 million. He got a stocked young roster around him. Deeper dive. This offseason, the QB carousal is full motion. Texans, Seahawks, Rams, Eagles all overpaid average QBs. Falcons have Ryan being overpaid at this point in his deal. Dallas just assured cap hell and no defense for 4 more years. Kirk Cousins has his team missing the playoffs. The impact of the Maholmes deal hasn't even hit yet and their lack of depth and (oh yes, WRs) showed up big time as he dropped a big 9 points on the Bucs. Teams that kicked the cap down the road are paying up, see: Steelers, Saints.

Right now, Rodgers is worth what he is being paid. He is also the MVP and making subtly more than guys that have no right being in his range, and less than guys who are blowing up franchises. 3 years from now he will still be a $20 million QB and worth that. If they extend him with guaranteed money, ultimately they will pay the price.

I believe more than ever that the QB, while the most important position in football, is way overvalued right now. Give me former winning QBs like Bortles, Newton, Flacco, on dirt cheap deals. Give me up and coming QBs like Boyle, Brissett on dirt cheap deals. I'd rather build a winner around them.

Soon Baker will sign a huge extension. Who thinks you can win an Owl with a Mayfield getting $35 million a year?

Seriously, just look at some of these deals. Bridgewater, Tannehill, Garapolo. Who thinks these guys are worth more than the guys I mentioned? As long as guys like Nick Foles are winning Owls in a creative offense I'll take my chances. I'd pay up for Maholmes, Rodgers, maybe Josh Allen soon. I'd pay for an in his prime Brees, or Manning. The rest of them? Forget it.

[Fritz]

Alex, I'll take an Aaron Rodgers restructure for 17 million.

[texaspackerbacker]

OBVIOUSLY, the restructure and max extension is the best move - a win win situation. I don't care if Jordan Love is an above average NFL QB - about the best anybody could ever hope for, the Packers go right into the toilet when/if they let Aaron Rodgers go anywhere before he decides to end his career, which I doubt is less than 7 or 8 years, maybe more.

[Fritz]

Tex wants Rodgers to play until he can collect social security.

[texaspackerbacker]

Damn Right hahahahahaha. I'd be willing to bet that Aaron Rodgers is better 7 or 8 years from now than Brady is now and better than Jordan Love is in 7 or 8 years or maybe all but a handful of the very best QBs, whoever that might be in 7 or 8 years. And if it ain't with the Packers all that time, then Gutekunst needs to get run out of town or worse. I used to think it was about 90/10 Gutekunst gets it done. I guess I'm down to maybe 75/25 now. We'll see, I guess. All the other shit he has done, though, is meaningless if he loses Rodgers, as the team goes right in the toilet.