WHICH QUATERBACK PLAYS PLAYS ON THE GREEN BAY PACKERS TEAM LONGER ??

[Upnorth]

Damn Right hahahahahaha. I'd be willing to bet that Aaron Rodgers is better 7 or 8 years from now than Brady is now and better than Jordan Love is in 7 or 8 years or maybe all but a handful of the very best QBs, whoever that might be in 7 or 8 years. And if it ain't with the Packers all that time, then Gutekunst needs to get run out of town or worse. I used to think it was about 90/10 Gutekunst gets it done. I guess I'm down to maybe 75/25 now. We'll see, I guess. All the other shit he has done, though, is meaningless if he loses Rodgers, as the team goes right in the toilet.

You honestly think Rodgers will be great past year 40? Why is he that special? He has injured both collarbones and his knee. He is finally in a qb friendly system but I have only seen 1 qb play well past 40

[Spaulding]

Although not onboard with the Love pick when it was made and still not keen on it, the action did make sense. Rodgers had been injured prior and no QB on the roster was a justified #2 to keep the ship afloat until Rodgers recovered. Thus any injury to Rodgers more than a game or two likely meant a lost season.

Taking a QB high in the draft was a pretty normal move when it's possible your QB is in the twilight of his career. His three prior years were pretty good but did have two of the three years more towards middle of the QB pack rating wise:

2019 - 81.4
2018 - 89.0
2017 - 79.2

Giving up the extra picks to move up and take Love hurt our options to add a good receiver or other play to the roster. But like TT always felt, you stay true to your board and if they had Love in the top 15 and saw him still available it kind of makes sense. Then again maybe I'm just trying to talk myself into justifying the pick.

Either way though, it's not all bad. The Packers have the potential to have found a successor to Rodgers down the road and if not, hopefully an adequate backup while we still have the MVP. There is also the option that if Rodgers is playing lights out over the next few years that if Love gets much game time (Rodgers injury or mop up) that he shows enough for some other team to offer a high pick for him.

Our history of first round picks the last ten years has been mixed anyways and so regardless of who was taken it might not have helped the team last year or even in coming years. At least with Love there still is some hope he flashes something. Then again the last few drafts which have a strong imprint from Gute are looking pretty good (although they screwed up big time on TJ).

2010 - Bryan Bulaga (good pick when healthy)
2011 - Derek Sherrod (bust due to injuries)
2012 - Nick Perry (average)
2013 - Datone Jones (bust)
2014 - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (average although one good year)
2015 - Damarious Randall (bust although should have been played at safety)
2016 - Kenny Clark (stud)
2017 - No pick
2018 - Jaire Alexander (stud)
2019 - Rashan Gary (showing flashes and might be really good)
2019 - Darnell Savage Jr. S (showing potential but not there quite yet)
2020 - Jordan Love (has shown nothing so far but didn't have an offseason to learn)

[Upnorth]

Damn Right hahahahahaha. I'd be willing to bet that Aaron Rodgers is better 7 or 8 years from now than Brady is now and better than Jordan Love is in 7 or 8 years or maybe all but a handful of the very best QBs, whoever that might be in 7 or 8 years. And if it ain't with the Packers all that time, then Gutekunst needs to get run out of town or worse. I used to think it was about 90/10 Gutekunst gets it done. I guess I'm down to maybe 75/25 now. We'll see, I guess. All the other shit he has done, though, is meaningless if he loses Rodgers, as the team goes right in the toilet.

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[call_me_ishmael]

I doubt an extension is in the works. I'm thinking they are figuring out how much, if any, of his other bonuses they can convert to a signing bonus to clear some cap space this year. I think Rodgers play has extended his timeline with the Packers until after the 2022 season. If he had played like he did the last couple of years, they may have parted ways after 2021. I think they want to convert enough to give them breathing room on the cap this year--while not hamstringing them if they want to move on after 2022.

If you were Aaron would you help them if they won’t help you though? Not sure I would.

[Sparkey]

If you were Aaron would you help them if they won’t help you though? Not sure I would.

How have the not helped him ?

[call_me_ishmael]

How have the not helped him ?

Sorry, I meant in terms of resigning or extending him. I don't think he has a lot of incentive to help them if it doesn't prevent them from shit-canning him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If you were Aaron would you help them if they won’t help you though? Not sure I would.

It would help him. He'd get the money now instead of later. Money now is always more valuable than money later. It also protects him in case of injury. If they asked for him to restructure enough, it would virtually guarantee at least two more years with the team.

[Bretsky]

If you were Aaron would you help them if they won’t help you though? Not sure I would.

I think Rodgers thinks he deserves more than this; I think he wants a commitment back.

What HW is suggesting is not what AROD wants IMO based on everything I'm listening too and I do think Wilde and some of the insiders views have some credibility

And I agree that if that is all GB is offering he might not make it so easy

[Sparkey]

It is apparent over the years that Aaron can't do it alone. If they give him a bigger piece of the pie, it guarantees failure.

Let's face it, the more $$$ tied up in one position, the more areas of weakness in other areas. QB contracts are getting to the point of diminishing returns.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Rodgers thinks he deserves more than this; I think he wants a commitment back.

What HW is suggesting is not what AROD wants IMO based on everything I'm listening too and I do think Wilde and some of the insiders views have some credibility

And I agree that if that is all GB is offering he might not make it so easy

It doesn't really matter what he thinks. I know they want to keep the peace, but if he wants to go out like a drama queen (ala Favre), then so be it. The Packers can convert some of his bonuses into a signing bonus to give more cap room this year. That's good for the team and player. The player gets more cash up front. Plus, instead of being guaranteed one more year, it would almost guarantee two more years for him. How big of an ass would you have to be to raise a stink over that?

[texaspackerbacker]

You honestly think Rodgers will be great past year 40? Why is he that special? He has injured both collarbones and his knee. He is finally in a qb friendly system but I have only seen 1 qb play well past 40

Hell Yeah. I see Rodgers as head and shoulders better over his career than Tom Brady. Brady has gone on that long despite being a lot less athletic and able to escape pressure than Rodgers. Anybody can get injured by bad luck at anytime, but the rules these days make it less likely for a QB. And they damn well better not let him finish his career anywhere else.

[Upnorth]

Hell Yeah. I see Rodgers as head and shoulders better over his career than Tom Brady. Brady has gone on that long despite being a lot less athletic and able to escape pressure than Rodgers. Anybody can get injured by bad luck at anytime, but the rules these days make it less likely for a QB. And they damn well better not let him finish his career anywhere else.

While I agree rodgers is better than Brady over their career we have seen Favre and brees and Manning's and rivers and rothlesberger hit the age wall recently. I hope you are right but I don't think you are.

[Sparkey]

For all his greatness in the regular season his play in NFC Championship games is pretty poor. Its down right atrocious if you just look at the 1st half of those NFCCG games. He does a good job of padding stats after the game is pretty much over.

The real GOATS' don't shit the bed in the biggest games.

[texaspackerbacker]

While I agree rodgers is better than Brady over their career we have seen Favre and brees and Manning's and rivers and rothlesberger hit the age wall recently. I hope you are right but I don't think you are.

Favre was pretty damn old when he hit it. I'll give you Brees and Roethlisberger. Rivers maybe - I'm not very familiar with him. Manning, if you mean Eli, was never much good. If you mean Peyton, his late stage deterioration probably had a lot to do with that injury. Anyway, I see Brady as better than any of them (except maybe Peyton), and Rodgers, we agree, is better than Brady. If there is a decline, it is from a higher starting point.

[Fritz]

It is apparent over the years that Aaron can't do it alone. If they give him a bigger piece of the pie, it guarantees failure.

Let's face it, the more $$$ tied up in one position, the more areas of weakness in other areas. QB contracts are getting to the point of diminishing returns.

I have to agree here. If Rodgers really, really wanted more of a supporting cast so he could get that second ring and cement his place in the pantheon of greats, he could restructure to free up cap space in a team-friendly deal. How many $20+ million dollar years does a guy need, anyway? I know the contracts are equated with respect, but Super Bowl championships are another measure. Rodgers has lots and lots of dollars, but only one ring.