Aaron Jones extended at 4 years 48M

[bobblehead]

It was only a 10% cap drop. A 10% savings makes sense. I didn't think your 50% discount concept was gonna pan out. But New England got a lot better. I have them winning the SB at +4000 because I saw this coming

I'll throw this out there though. If this were a normal year I would bet King goes out and gets a $7 million deal for 3 years. I bet we can re sign him for $4 million. Remember, he didn't suck all year and was even good in 2019. Guys like him fill out rosters. I hope we get him back for that kind of money on a prove it deal.

[bobblehead]

The cap will be higher next year, but maybe not as high as you think. They have borrowed against the cap the next 2 years to raise it this year. Otherwise, the cap this year would have been much lower than 182M. League revenues dropped 25% in 2020 but they only dropped the salary cap 10%.

This also messed up my theory. I didn't realize they could "borrow" from future caps. I thought the CBA was pretty ironclad as far as % of the revenue that went to players. It allowed a lot of teams to either spend more, or keep more of their assets.

[run pMc]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2022/

right now GB sits 2nd last in cap space, with $213M in salaries. Looks like this site is assuming a cap of about $192M, since they have GB at $20M+ over that amount.

Not sure how reasonable that is, but I do know that they have definitely kicked the can down the road another year. This money won't just disappear -- and if they end up releasing players that means dead cap space they can't use (i.e., paying for players no longer on the roster) which is ok if you have a smaller number, but it also means money you can't use to sign a CB3 or a backup swing tackle.

Rodgers, Z, Bahk, Kenny Clark, and Jaire's 5th year will add up to just under $125M of the cap alone. Do not think there won't be some ugly cap ramifications down the road, TV deal or no.

[bobblehead]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2022/
right now GB sits 2nd last in cap space, with $213M in salaries. Looks like this site is assuming a cap of about $192M, since they have GB at $20M+ over that amount.

Not sure how reasonable that is, but I do know that they have definitely kicked the can down the road another year. This money won't just disappear -- and if they end up releasing players that means dead cap space they can't use (i.e., paying for players no longer on the roster) which is ok if you have a smaller number, but it also means money you can't use to sign a CB3 or a backup swing tackle.

Rodgers, Z, Bahk, Kenny Clark, and Jaire's 5th year will add up to just under $125M of the cap alone. Do not think there won't be some ugly cap ramifications down the road, TV deal or no.

I think the initial plan was to trade Rodgers before 2022 season starts. However, if he puts up another season like last year, its almost impossible. Or, if you do, maybe you also try to move Z. Use the draft capital from those 2 guys, have a bad season under Love (like Rodgers first year starting) and then begin building again. We will pay the piper eventually, no way around it with the cap number on those 5 guys.

However if Rodgers plays out his deal you can probably kick it down the road til the TV deal hits. You won't be prolific spenders, but can maintain the roster and keep winning. I think the Jones deal (effectively 2 years) tells me they plan on a mini rebuild after Rodgers and would like to deal him while he has value. That could be after this season or even next.

Right now we appear geared up for a 2 year run at it. After that I would guess Rodgers is traded with a year left and the 2 year rebuild starts with Love proving he deserves a 2nd contract or not. If he does they do it and try to move into the elite teams again. If not....well, don't want to think about searching for a QB and being bad while doing it.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's hard to believe Gutekunst could have ever been so bonehead stupid as to plan on trading Aaron Rodgers, but who knows, maybe he was/is.

People also talk about the Aaron Jones deal being "effectively a two year deal". Nope. I don't buy that either. The way I heard it, the most significant cap hit isn't until the fourth year, and even then, he will only be thirty, presumably still very effective and worth extending a couple or three more years.

As I said elsewhere, it's kinda ridiculous to think the cap hit for 4 or even 5 or 6 guys will reach $125 million. People thinking that just don't know how the cap works.

The speculation that the Packers are going all in for two years sorta implies that the leadership is ready to settle for mediocrity after that. I doubt they are that stupid, but again, who knows. It seems like a lot of posters see it that way. "Rebuilding" in the sense of tearing down and then if you get lucky, building back up is what loser teams do. For damn near thirty years, the Packers have consistently been near the top. I, for one, want to see things stay that way.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think the initial plan was to trade Rodgers before 2022 season starts. However, if he puts up another season like last year, its almost impossible. Or, if you do, maybe you also try to move Z. Use the draft capital from those 2 guys, have a bad season under Love (like Rodgers first year starting) and then begin building again. We will pay the piper eventually, no way around it with the cap number on those 5 guys.

However if Rodgers plays out his deal you can probably kick it down the road til the TV deal hits. You won't be prolific spenders, but can maintain the roster and keep winning. I think the Jones deal (effectively 2 years) tells me they plan on a mini rebuild after Rodgers and would like to deal him while he has value. That could be after this season or even next.

Right now we appear geared up for a 2 year run at it. After that I would guess Rodgers is traded with a year left and the 2 year rebuild starts with Love proving he deserves a 2nd contract or not. If he does they do it and try to move into the elite teams again. If not....well, don't want to think about searching for a QB and being bad while doing it.

I think you're right, and I think it kind of sucks. I would much rather take a shot at the title and load up and suck for a year or two of Love (because they're going to suck anyway). If they don't get a title in the next year or two, the first four years of the LaFleur era will have been a failure in my opinion. The talent on this team is there and more importantly at the right positions to have a shot at it.

[Joemailman]

It's hard to believe Gutekunst could have ever been so bonehead stupid as to plan on trading Aaron Rodgers, but who knows, maybe he was/is.

People also talk about the Aaron Jones deal being "effectively a two year deal". Nope. I don't buy that either. The way I heard it, the most significant cap hit isn't until the fourth year, and even then, he will only be thirty, presumably still very effective and worth extending a couple or three more years.

As I said elsewhere, it's kinda ridiculous to think the cap hit for 4 or even 5 or 6 guys will reach $125 million. People thinking that just don't know how the cap works.

The speculation that the Packers are going all in for two years sorta implies that the leadership is ready to settle for mediocrity after that. I doubt they are that stupid, but again, who knows. It seems like a lot of posters see it that way. "Rebuilding" in the sense of tearing down and then if you get lucky, building back up is what loser teams do. For damn near thirty years, the Packers have consistently been near the top. I, for one, want to see things stay that way.

The highest cap hit of the deal is in year 3 at 19.25 million. https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-jones/5768/ It's a 2 year deal in that if things aren't going great, the Packers can cut Jones after 2 years and save about 25M.

[Zool]

The highest cap hit of the deal is in year 3 at 19.25 million. https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-jones/5768/ It's a 2 year deal in that if things aren't going great, the Packers can cut Jones after 2 years and save about 25M.

But, he heard it somewhere. Everyone else just looked at the numbers on the contract. Fools.

[texaspackerbacker]

The highest cap hit of the deal is in year 3 at 19.25 million. https://overthecap.com/player/aaron-jones/5768/ It's a 2 year deal in that if things aren't going great, the Packers can cut Jones after 2 years and save about 25M.

I read your link. You're right, but I think that $7 million roster bonus in year 3 can easily be converted, similar to what was done last week with Rodgers, so half counts in year 3 and half in year 4. Either way, this just screams of it being a good idea to restructure him for the 3rd year and beyond. This does cover the Packers, though, against the possibility of Jones getting a serious injury. I'm a little surprised that Rosenhaus let it be that way.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You're right, but I think that $7 million roster bonus in year 3 can easily be converted, similar to what was done last week with Rodgers, so half counts in year 3 and half in year 4.

It wasn’t done with Rodgers. They paid the roster bonus.

[sharpe1027]

I read your link. You're right, but I think that $7 million roster bonus in year 3 can easily be converted, similar to what was done last week with Rodgers, so half counts in year 3 and half in year 4. Either way, this just screams of it being a good idea to restructure him for the 3rd year and beyond. This does cover the Packers, though, against the possibility of Jones getting a serious injury. I'm a little surprised that Rosenhaus let it be that way.

It screams two-year deal.

[bobblehead]

It screams two-year deal.

Or, if he is the heart of the offense and the TV money kicks in big time they have an option to pay him if they don't need cap space. But yes, its unlikely. I'm pretty sure it was structured that way to make it look better, but to give him one more bite at FA in a friendlier market. And if they decide for some reason to stick with him he gets the goofy FA money.