Who Should Gutey Draft At #29?

[Bretsky]

I've been doing a lot of these auto drafts on this site and he always goes between pick 25-32. Last year I remember really really liking Justin Jefferson. But on the dam auto draft he was always going about 20. Batemen always goes about 20 this year; seems like a mirror to what I remember from Jefferson last year.

I also remember many years Baltimore always seemed to grab the guy I wanted (including Mosley). I hope they don't need a ILB this year.

Collins really seems like the no brainer ILB for Green Bay who you plug and play for three downs for many years to come. He's the #1 ILB backer we've been asking for to make our other sub par talent guys (we normally have two of them starting) look better.

Which means we won't take him, and good change Gute will trade up, he'll be there, and then he'll draft somebody else....probably a OL.

I have to admit though...grabbing one of the OT's is tempting. I just don't wanna trade up for that.

[RashanGary]

I've been doing a lot of these auto drafts on this site and he always goes between pick 25-32. Last year I remember really really liking Justin Jefferson. But on the dam auto draft he was always going about 20. Batemen always goes about 20 this year; seems like a mirror to what I remember from Jefferson last year.

I also remember many years Baltimore always seemed to grab the guy I wanted (including Mosley). I hope they don't need a ILB this year.

Collins really seems like the no brainer ILB for Green Bay who you plug and play for three downs for many years to come. He's the #1 ILB backer we've been asking for to make our other sub par talent guys (we normally have two of them starting) look better.

Which means we won't take him, and good change Gute will trade up, he'll be there, and then he'll draft somebody else....probably a OL.

I have to admit though...grabbing one of the OT's is tempting. I just don't wanna trade up for that.

I'm crossing my fingers for a plug and play RT. I want Rodgers twilight to he lit up. If we can't get a tackle early, I'm OK with billy Turner at RT, but id like to see a 3rd round guard (high pick for a guard) so at least the interior is sewn up. I think we almost have to take an OL in the first three rounds. And the good thing about that, there is a ton of OL this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Zaven Collins at 260 jumped 35” and ran 4.67 (let’s call it 4.7)

So he’s about the same speed as Krys Barnes and Blake Martinez but 20 pounds heavier. He’s a really high end athlete. And the write up is that he’s really natural in coverage and an overall playmaker on defense.

These virtual Pro Day times have been too good (I doubt this class is actually the fastest of all-time by far, but that’s what these times are saying), so 4.67 is maybe more like 4.75 and that’s actually a bit concerning. Collins was one of the few guys I watched. He was a hard eval. He mostly played OLB in the game I watched, so it was hard to see if he had sideline to sideline range. I was hoping he’d be a little faster. I’m worried he’s a jack of all trades, master of none.

[MadScientist]

You forgot to put a punter on your list.

[RashanGary]

These virtual Pro Day times have been too good (I doubt this class is actually the fastest of all-time by far, but that’s what these times are saying), so 4.67 is maybe more like 4.75 and that’s actually a bit concerning. Collins was one of the few guys I watched. He was a hard eval. He mostly played OLB in the game I watched, so it was hard to see if he had sideline to sideline range. I was hoping he’d be a little faster. I’m worried he’s a jack of all trades, master of none.

I just finished a game and a half. He looks about blake Martinez fast. He's bigger. I would go late second round.

[texaspackerbacker]

Corner in the first and him in the second would be ideal.

[Spaulding]

For some reason, when I see tape of Zaven Collins all I can think of is Shea McClellin who ended up being a bust with the Bears. Normally I might chalk it up as an organizational or position coach failure for his development but the Bears have done well with LB's and thus guessing he was just over drafted and over hyped.

I'd love to see Barmore fall to us as I think he'll produce quicker at a DT than most players who take a few years and would make our front 7 a threat to where average CB's might be able to get by and where Alexander and a healthy King would dominate.

Beyond that Newsome or Radunz would be great as well as both appear to have high upside and fill a position of need.

[Joemailman]

I've been doing a lot of these auto drafts on this site and he always goes between pick 25-32. Last year I remember really really liking Justin Jefferson. But on the dam auto draft he was always going about 20. Batemen always goes about 20 this year; seems like a mirror to what I remember from Jefferson last year.

I also remember many years Baltimore always seemed to grab the guy I wanted (including Mosley). I hope they don't need a ILB this year.

They drafted Patrick Queen in the 1st round last year. Even though Queen had a shaky rookie year, I doubt very much they'd be drafting an ILB early again. However, WR is considered maybe their biggest need, so they could be eyeing Bateman.

[RashanGary]

I just went and watched 2 games of Zaven Collins and one game of Jamin Davis. Davis is 235 and runs 4.45. Collins is 260 and runs 4.7.

I'm going to say this, Davis is faster and I don't have a lot of experience watching linebackers but one thing that stood out was Collins was very patient, angle oriented, aggressive at the right times and sure of himself. Davis might run faster, but Collins played fast with his decision making and confidence where Davis looked jittery and unsure. I watched Eric kendricks on game pass film session once and he explained how he slows down to play faster, how he waits.to trigger until it's time.to trigger and it speeds him up. Collins had that quality of eliminating false steps.

Maybe Collins is a first round guy. I'd have to watch others to see how that quality compares. But at a glance, Collins with his size, just good enough speed and football skill might be worth a 1st round pick. He looked a touch boring in the sense that he wasn't making highlight reel plays tho. Just sort of making the plays that were there.

[Fritz]

I just went and watched 2 games of Zaven Collins and one game of Jamin Davis. Davis is 235 and runs 4.45. Collins is 260 and runs 4.7.

I'm going to say this, Davis is faster and I don't have a lot of experience watching linebackers but one thing that stood out was Collins was very patient, angle oriented, aggressive at the right times and sure of himself. Davis might run faster, but Collins played fast with his decision making and confidence where Davis looked jittery and unsure. I watched Eric kendricks on game pass film session once and he explained how he slows down to play faster, how he waits.to trigger until it's time.to trigger and it speeds him up. Collins had that quality of eliminating false steps.

Maybe Collins is a first round guy. I'd have to watch others to see how that quality compares. But at a glance, Collins with his size, just good enough speed and football skill might be worth a 1st round pick. He looked a touch boring in the sense that he wasn't making highlight reel plays tho. Just sort of making the plays that were there.

Packers got that guy in the fourth round a few years ago - Blake Martinez. Why would you waste a first round pick on what sounds like an average player?

[texaspackerbacker]

Sounds like a choice between Martinez and Oren Burks hahahaha.

[Joemailman]

Packers got that guy in the fourth round a few years ago - Blake Martinez. Why would you waste a first round pick on what sounds like an average player?

Please. This guy is not Blake Martinez. Blake Martinez ran a 4.71 at 237 pounds. Collins ran a 4.67 at 260 pounds. If a 40 time is all you think that matters, then dismiss Collins. But whether or not Collins is a 1st round pick will depend on whether teams think his size, instincts and versatility (He's big enough to also play edge) make up for a lack of blazing speed. I think it does.

[texaspackerbacker]

I didn't mean to disparage Collins, but I still want a Corner in the first round. Getting Collins in the second, though, maybe even trading up to get him would be a great thing IMO.

[RashanGary]

Please. This guy is not Blake Martinez. Blake Martinez ran a 4.71 at 237 pounds. Collins ran a 4.67 at 260 pounds. If a 40 time is all you think that matters, then dismiss Collins. But whether or not Collins is a 1st round pick will depend on whether teams think his size, instincts and versatility (He's big enough to also play edge) make up for a lack of blazing speed. I think it does.

I watched two full games. If we draft Collins I will not be excited because he doesn't make huge plays (outside of coverage) and the speed of the NFL and quarterbacks will make that a lot tougher. I think we can do better with a 1st round pick. If he ran sub 4.6 and had the instincts, I think he'd translate better to an NFL playmaker.

[RashanGary]

I think Collins is a really good bet to be a long time quality NFL starter like Blake. I would.be excited in the 2nd.round because.he would make us better. But I want a little.more impact.