AR wants out?!

[Harlan Huckleby]

AR has carried a lot of water for this team and is now getting booted after an MVP season: cannot even get a 2022 season guaranteed.

AR had a contract thru 2023, plenty of guaranteed money. They voided 2023 year to *accommodate* Rodgers. AR didn't have to agree to that move.

It is possible that FO is sick of AR's act and now prefer that he leave in a trade next spring. But to suggest that this is the Packers unilaterally pressing for AR's exit is not a fair reading.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers have made a living on cutting ties with aging players a year before it's time rather than waiting till it's too late. I can sympathize with Rodgers, who has developed personal relationships with all of those guys,

Come to think of it, wasn't TT the pioneer of the perpetually young roster?

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, I saw the Gutekunst press conference now, and I'm back to be very negative about the whole situation. Every time he was asked about beyond 2021, he ducked it and said he's just focused on this season. That sucks, IMO.

[Jaire]

Rodgers is one of the luckiest QB's in NFL history in terms of playing on good offenses and racking up stats. He's one of the unluckiest in terms of playing with bad defenses and STs so not winning championships.

But to say Rodgers played on crap offenses and carried teams is a joke. There's not much separating Rodgers, Brady or Rivers. Rodgers got stat lucky. Brady got championship lucky. Rivers got the shaft.

What are you talking about??

I said defense. Please reread. And you don't win without defense. Even the few low rated defenses that won a Superbowl played very well in the post season. In fact I cannot even think of a team that had a bad defense and won.

Manning's Indy teams had better defenses than AR. And Manning choked in the playoffs.

As to offense, I said nothing. But AR has a lot to do with the success of the O. Look at the LT in 2011 (and the early playoff exit). Aaron's olines as good as they have been are not on Brady's level. His second best WR in 2019 was Kumeriw out of camp. That's not some juggernaut. In ten years, they only drafted one WR in round one or two. In TEN years (because they have been playing catch up to fill a depleted roster for four years.) How did they load it up for Aaron? Please.

That said, and I've said it before, AR had a very talented team last year and this. And I expect the defense to make a jump and they played a good post season last year: just a piece or two away.

But no one can deny they burned a lot of picks: Randall, Rollins, King (passing on Watt), Josh Jones, Haha, Jackson. These were bad picks at the time, largely because TT refused to move up in drafts. Also because they did not keep Hayward, Hyde & Charles: who knows if that was Capers or the FO or both.

Both Rivers and Brady had way better defenses consistently. I have AR a tier above both tbh. Especially Brady benefited from really good defenses. Last year's Bucs were one of the three best Superbowl defenses I have seen in 10 years.


Regardless, my point stands. AR carried this team.

[Jaire]

AR had a contract thru 2023, plenty of guaranteed money. They voided 2023 year to *accommodate* Rodgers. AR didn't have to agree to that move.

It is possible that FO is sick of AR's act and now prefer that he leave in a trade next spring. But to suggest that this is the Packers unilaterally pressing for AR's exit is not a fair reading.

They have prepared and still are preparing to move from him next year: if Jordan is decent, AR is traded. Was and is the plan..

How I see it. How Brandt sees it. How many others see it. AR has always wanted to stay. Still does. He just wants some say in things. But they don't want him back. His contract is set to move him in 2022. Cutting off 2023 does nothing for anyone. It's irrelevant really.

important to note: there is no new contract still

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers is one of the luckiest QB's in NFL history in terms of playing on good offenses and racking up stats. He's one of the unluckiest in terms of playing with bad defenses and STs so not winning championships.

But to say Rodgers played on crap offenses and carried teams is a joke. There's not much separating Rodgers, Brady or Rivers. Rodgers got stat lucky. Brady got championship lucky. Rivers got the shaft.

I'd dispute that "luckiest" part. Most of the rest of them are overrated particularly because Aaron Rodgers made/makes them better. O Line for sure, Receivers almost for sure, RBs to some extent, even defense due to the fact that Rodgers got them ahead in a lot of games and took a lot of time off the clock.

Unluckiest because of bad defense? maybe, not really quite as bad as you picture it. Bad special teams? yeah, that certainly seems to be true - arguably because Aaron Rodgers was not a factor one way or the other with special teams. Crap offenses? No, that would be too extreme, but Rodgers "carried the team"? Damn right he did.

The three QBs you compared? Rivers doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the other two. The "shaft" he got primarily was an attitude to not be careful about not throwing it to the other team. Brady versus Rodgers? If I was a fan of any of the other 30 teams than the Packers and Patriots, in other words, neutral about Brady and Rodgers, I'm pretty sure I'd still see Rodgers as clearly a better player than Brady. Brady had better players around him, but not by a large margin. Brady had a better GM and coaching staff that led to the Super Bowls? Yeah, clearly he did.

[red]

Rodgers said what some of us have been saying all along. When he looked at the cap it was obvious 2021 would be his last, with a chance they would move on after 2020.

He said he wanted the cap number reworked so they couldn't just dump him after this season. He said he didn't want more money, he just wanted the cap hit changed

They would not do that, and I think he said the two year extension they offered him wouldn't do that, and the rework deal didn't fix that

So nothing had changed. The FO can still can him after this season like they've wanted to do all along, they just have made it look like Aarons has some kind of say in the matter by voiding the last year that they had no intensions of keeping him for anyways

[RashanGary]

What are you talking about??

I said defense. Please reread. And you don't win without defense. Even the few low rated defenses that won a Superbowl played very well in the post season. In fact I cannot even think of a team that had a bad defense and won.

Manning's Indy teams had better defenses than AR. And Manning choked in the playoffs.

As to offense, I said nothing. But AR has a lot to do with the success of the O. Look at the LT in 2011 (and the early playoff exit). Aaron's olines as good as they have been are not on Brady's level. His second best WR in 2019 was Kumeriw out of camp. That's not some juggernaut. In ten years, they only drafted one WR in round one or two. In TEN years (because they have been playing catch up to fill a depleted roster for four years.) How did they load it up for Aaron? Please.

That said, and I've said it before, AR had a very talented team last year and this. And I expect the defense to make a jump and they played a good post season last year: just a piece or two away.

But no one can deny they burned a lot of picks: Randall, Rollins, King (passing on Watt), Josh Jones, Haha, Jackson. These were bad picks at the time, largely because TT refused to move up in drafts. Also because they did not keep Hayward, Hyde & Charles: who knows if that was Capers or the FO or both.

Both Rivers and Brady had way better defenses consistently. I have AR a tier above both tbh. Especially Brady benefited from really good defenses. Last year's Bucs were one of the three best Superbowl defenses I have seen in 10 years.


Regardless, my point stands. AR carried this team.

A big part of Aarons legacy is the stats and the success. A big part of the stats and the success were playing with OLs like Bakh/Sitton/Lindsley/Lang/Bulaga or with receivers like Jennings/Jones/Nelson or Nelson/Cobb/Adams, etc...

What I'm saying is most people use stats to prop up Rodgers greatness but when he had suspect offenses (2017/2018) he didn't have that kind of statistical success.

Rodgers isnt any better than Brady or Rivers IMHO but rather was luckier to play on better offenses more consistently.

Rodgers has been blessed in Green Bay. He buys the press about how great he is, and doesn't give nearly the credit to the offenses around him.

I absolutely do not buy Rodgers GOAT talk. He's in the conversation of best QB's but I like Rivers and Brady and Brees better in a lot of ways. He's just one of a handful. The idol worship dismisses the team nature of offense and is just wrong imho.

[Jaire]

Look I have a right to my opinion and reasons for it.

Before this year I had a top ten QBs. I have AR now a tier above. So do many. It's in no way shape or form idol worship. Rivers is a great QB. Just a tier below and his arm was done last year. His last hurrah. Good for him. Very fun QB, among my favs to watch along with Favre. Every QB at tge top is unique imo. Very hard to rank. Just that AR is I think underrated and does so many things no one else ever did. Just my opinion.

Cheers

[Jaire]

What I'm saying is most people use stats to prop up Rodgers greatness but when he had suspect offenses (2017/2018) he didn't have that kind of statistical success.

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2017: he went 4 and 3
2018: played on a broken leg





2020: he bought into a system that is way easier on the QB. It's not easy to compare these things. Anyways, you don't see what I see that sets him apart in my view.

[Jaire]

Sorry to post so much.

AR signed. I wonder if he brought Kelly in also. AR gets Cobb & Kelly. Let's see if it's enough.

Sounds like no real concessions made to Rodgers. The 2023 year is meaningless imo: because AR will be on another team or sign a new contract before start of next year.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1420854957646000128?s=20

[Bretsky]

Well, I saw the Gutekunst press conference now, and I'm back to be very negative about the whole situation. Every time he was asked about beyond 2021, he ducked it and said he's just focused on this season. That sucks, IMO.

They should BAN Gutebag from speaking to the Press; every word he spews just makes him sound like more of an idiot. And he's an OK GM; just don't let him talk

[Bretsky]

SIDENOTE: Arod's presser without any notes was pretty outstanding..the details he went through

But it kind of sounded like an exit interview

[ThunderDan]

Payton Manning had 13 seasons in Indy. They made the AFC Championship game only 3 times. They did make 2 Super Bowls, winning 1 and losing 1.

[ThunderDan]

ARod has started for 13 years for the Pack.

5 NFC Championships. 1 Super Bowl win.