AR wants out?!

[King Friday]

At this point, I see no way that Rodgers is back in Green Bay for next season. The front office did what they had to do for Rodgers to play in 2021, but there appears no real bridge to the kind of change that Rodgers is pushing for. I believe the front office sees a chance to get a reasonable return in a trade and then transition to a younger guy on a cheap contract to keep as much of the other talent on the team as possible. This front office builds a comprehensive roster plan and generally sticks to it. When they don't show interest in bringing back a veteran, it is because he doesn't fit their plan. That is just the cold hard truth, and it will not change for anyone...even a HOF caliber QB like Rodgers. To me, the lack of an ability to connect with your top players is not a good trait for the front office. Gute better hope Love comes out balling next year, or his seat will catch fire.

[texaspackerbacker]

Rodgers said what some of us have been saying all along. When he looked at the cap it was obvious 2021 would be his last, with a chance they would move on after 2020.

He said he wanted the cap number reworked so they couldn't just dump him after this season. He said he didn't want more money, he just wanted the cap hit changed

They would not do that, and I think he said the two year extension they offered him wouldn't do that, and the rework deal didn't fix that

So nothing had changed. The FO can still can him after this season like they've wanted to do all along, they just have made it look like Aarons has some kind of say in the matter by voiding the last year that they had no intensions of keeping him for anyways

Good Points. You could certainly make the case, though, that his agent or even Rodgers himself should have seen that coming when they negotiated his contract and/or his latest restructure. Blame, however, clearly goes to Gutekunst and whoever might be advising him, assuming it's true they have the incredibly stupid idea that getting rid of Rodgers after '21 or even after '22 or several years after that is a good thing. How can they be that damn dumb?

[Harlan Huckleby]

At this point, I see no way that Rodgers is back in Green Bay for next season. The front office did what they had to do for Rodgers to play in 2021, but there appears no real bridge to the kind of change that Rodgers is pushing for. I believe the front office sees a chance to get a reasonable return in a trade and then transition to a younger guy on a cheap contract to keep as much of the other talent on the team as possible. This front office builds a comprehensive roster plan and generally sticks to it. When they don't show interest in bringing back a veteran, it is because he doesn't fit their plan. That is just the cold hard truth, and it will not change for anyone...even a HOF caliber QB like Rodgers. To me, the lack of an ability to connect with your top players is not a good trait for the front office. Gute better hope Love comes out balling next year, or his seat will catch fire.

sounds bout right

[texaspackerbacker]

At this point, I see no way that Rodgers is back in Green Bay for next season. The front office did what they had to do for Rodgers to play in 2021, but there appears no real bridge to the kind of change that Rodgers is pushing for. I believe the front office sees a chance to get a reasonable return in a trade and then transition to a younger guy on a cheap contract to keep as much of the other talent on the team as possible. This front office builds a comprehensive roster plan and generally sticks to it. When they don't show interest in bringing back a veteran, it is because he doesn't fit their plan. That is just the cold hard truth, and it will not change for anyone...even a HOF caliber QB like Rodgers. To me, the lack of an ability to connect with your top players is not a good trait for the front office. Gute better hope Love comes out balling next year, or his seat will catch fire.

I hate to say it, but I agree. The only hope I can see is if somebody has the clout to overrule Gutekunst (or get rid of him). The only one like that would seem to be Murphy, and he seems to be disturbingly and stupidly like minded with Gutekunst. Is there a chance next off-season for a groundswell of fans, a movement to influence the board of directors or something? Probably not.

[Vincenzo]

At this point, I see no way that Rodgers is back in Green Bay for next season. The front office did what they had to do for Rodgers to play in 2021, but there appears no real bridge to the kind of change that Rodgers is pushing for. I believe the front office sees a chance to get a reasonable return in a trade and then transition to a younger guy on a cheap contract to keep as much of the other talent on the team as possible. This front office builds a comprehensive roster plan and generally sticks to it. When they don't show interest in bringing back a veteran, it is because he doesn't fit their plan. That is just the cold hard truth, and it will not change for anyone...even a HOF caliber QB like Rodgers. To me, the lack of an ability to connect with your top players is not a good trait for the front office. Gute better hope Love comes out balling next year, or his seat will catch fire.

Wasn’t it Scooter Maclean who was sitting playing cards with the guys and asked what to do?
Can you imagine what Lombardi would say to Aaron Rodgers? I bet he would have made a phone call and said you’ve been traded to the CFL.
I get it that McLean and Lombardi were 50 and 60 years ago but not much has changed when it comes to managing an NFL football team.
What the hell is Rodgers trying to pull? Surely it’s all about posturing for the control of the offense, but perhaps the Brat has issues with taking direction. Sorry but none of this makes any sense in a professional world! He mentions a bunch of players from the past who didn’t get contracts- well, too bad. It’s not all about snapping butts with towels in the locker room.
Part of me wishes the team would have cut their losses and moved on.

[call_me_ishmael]

Good Points. You could certainly make the case, though, that his agent or even Rodgers himself should have seen that coming when they negotiated his contract and/or his latest restructure. Blame, however, clearly goes to Gutekunst and whoever might be advising him, assuming it's true they have the incredibly stupid idea that getting rid of Rodgers after '21 or even after '22 or several years after that is a good thing. How can they be that damn dumb?

Hubris.

Payton Manning had 13 seasons in Indy. They made the AFC Championship game only 3 times. They did make 2 Super Bowls, winning 1 and losing 1.

Brady. And he underachieved too.

Rodgers said what some of us have been saying all along. When he looked at the cap it was obvious 2021 would be his last, with a chance they would move on after 2020.

He said he wanted the cap number reworked so they couldn't just dump him after this season. He said he didn't want more money, he just wanted the cap hit changed

They would not do that, and I think he said the two year extension they offered him wouldn't do that, and the rework deal didn't fix that

So nothing had changed. The FO can still can him after this season like they've wanted to do all along, they just have made it look like Aarons has some kind of say in the matter by voiding the last year that they had no intensions of keeping him for anyways

100% the plan and always has been. Hopefully Jordan is really good. I doubt he will be.

Similar to Brees, Rivers, Manning, Russel Wilson, etc. Other than New England, no one did much better.

Brees, Rivers, Wilson, etc aren't Aaron Rodgers. And they weren't there for 30 years straight either.

Manning is a unique case. He has 2 chips though. He also had to go through Brady year after year. That's tough given Brady's track record.

Good Point, RG. You basically beat me to saying that.

I'd absolutely say, the "Packer way" has been working for 30 years or so.

If we lose the GOAT QB after this season, though, because the FO pretty much forced him out or at least didn't try hard enough to keep him, then I'd say the "Packer way" just stopped working.

If it's been working, would you say it'll continue to work? If so, they why do you care if Rodgers goes? They'll surely get another HOF QB because it's the Packer way.

[Sparkey]

Well, I saw the Gutekunst press conference now, and I'm back to be very negative about the whole situation. Every time he was asked about beyond 2021, he ducked it and said he's just focused on this season. That sucks, IMO.

TPB, what is he supposed to say ? Especially with all the "media pukes" waiting to pounce on any thing he says ?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't have any animosity towards Rodgers after his press conference and then watching him work with Love in training camp. Bottom line: he wants to retire as a Packer. My only problem is that he seems to assume he has no chance of doing that with the drafting of Love. However, if he wins Super Bowls and/or continues to play at MVP level, the Packers aren't going to move on from him (see Brady and Jimmy G in New England). Brady didn't raise a stink. He just continued to be a better QB than Jimmy G, and the Patriots moved Jimmy G. That could happen here. Who knows? Maybe he knows Love has a great future and sees the writing on the wall.

[RashanGary]

Who knows? Maybe he knows Love has a great future and sees the writing on the wall.

Preseason will be must watch TV

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't have any animosity towards Rodgers after his press conference and then watching him work with Love in training camp. Bottom line: he wants to retire as a Packer. My only problem is that he seems to assume he has no chance of doing that with the drafting of Love. However, if he wins Super Bowls and/or continues to play at MVP level, the Packers aren't going to move on from him (see Brady and Jimmy G in New England). Brady didn't raise a stink. He just continued to be a better QB than Jimmy G, and the Patriots moved Jimmy G. That could happen here. Who knows? Maybe he knows Love has a great future and sees the writing on the wall.

But that's demonstrably not true, right? The Packers moved on from an all-pro QB in 2007-2008.

I also think "being in the best in the world or you lose your job" isn't nearly as fair as a competition. Does anyone think Love will be better than Rodgers? Would he beat him out in a fair competition? If he does, then by all means he should be the starter, but I really don't see that happening.

Let's say Rodgers has a great year, they get the NFCC and lose because the defense fucks something up but they still put up 31 points. Not a doubt in my mind they're moving on still. They alerady made their choice. What happens this year doesn't matter.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers was only part of one rebuild (2017/2018) but another one is on the salary cap horizon. His last three years in Green Bay (2019, 2020, 2021) will be three great year's to be in Green Bay. They've gone all out on spending. Hopefully the last dance story line will be enough to boost the Packers into some rigged game status and we win a lucky bradyesque type championship.

[Jaire]

I don't see a rebuild.

The core going forward is pretty clear:
Clark, Jaire, Savage, Gary
Bakh, Jenkins, this young Oline, Dillon, Jones & most the offense. Lazard & MVS -- even Tonyan are probably back.

The only guys likely leaving are Marcedes, Z, Preston, Adams. That's not a huge change. Z will be here through 2022.

(Also I think the cap goes up a lot next year.)

[Harlan Huckleby]

Preseason will be must watch TV

preseason is my favorite football every year. That's when the fights are raging at packerrats, the armchair GMs are strutting, Tom Silverstein & Bob McGinn are predicting cuts, the backup QB looks like Superman against scrubs. This is the best time. I'll be bored by Halloween, then get excited again closer to playoffs.

[HarveyWallbangers]

But that's demonstrably not true, right? The Packers moved on from an all-pro QB in 2007-2008.

Different GM now--that has shown he does things differently than the old GM, so that's probably about as relevant as the Patriots situation. Also, Rodgers is better than Favre was then, Love is not as good as Rodgers then (he had been here three years and had shown in preseason and real games that he might be something), and Favre talked retirement every year while Rodgers wants to play for several more years.

Favre didn't play at ARod's level. In 2007 Brady threw 50 TDs against 8 interceptions, Favre threw 28 TDs against 15 interceptions. In 2020 Rodgers threw 48 TDs against 5 interceptions.

[RashanGary]

preseason is my favorite football every year. That's when the fights are raging at packerrats, the armchair GMs are strutting, Tom Silverstein & Bob McGinn are predicting cuts, the backup QB looks like Superman against scrubs. This is the best time. I'll be bored by Halloween, then get excited again closer to playoffs.

You are one of the preseason warriors here. I'm usually here for it too.