AR wants out?!

[Packers4Glory]

I'm just going to say this with the intent of hoping it gets through to you. When 6-7 people are telling you that you are wrong, basically nobody is really on your side, and you have gotten to the point where you are getting angry....its possible you are wrong. Take a step back. Try to step out of Aaron's shoes and into the GMs shoes for a second. See his perspective of team building. Its ok to conclude he shouldn't have drafted Love, most of us share that opinion, but the idea that the organization that MADE Rodgers a global superstar owes it to him to bend to his every will...well, just rationally for a second think of it from another angle.

It is possible everyone is wrong and you are right, but if the conversation hasn't exhausted you by now, you are way too emotional about it. Its also possible you are wrong and others might have a valid opinion. I say this as someone who enjoys this message board and doesn't want another offseason of Brandon. I also think you are capable of other, better posts that don't involve this topic.

wait you think the Packers made Aaron a global superstar? I think most would argue Aaron made and kept the Packers relevant after filling Favre's shoes. The odds of him not crumbling under that pressure had to be staggering. I don't recall ever saying the team should bend to his every will? are we married? Cus that's some next level wife argument there putting words and context into my mouth. Rodgers has taken this team under different management to a SB and under different management and offenses within a game in back to back seasons. Aaron is going to be Aaron regardless. I think that's obvious by now. without. him, this team is average at best with pretty much anyone else under center. What he brings to the field is beyond just your basic good QB.

I'm not closed off to it could be Rodgers camp that leaked it. But I've said I don't think it really matters who did the leak. It's more about finding and understand the motivation behind it and what it actually means in the end.

[RashanGary]

Time speaks to a drafts effectiveness more than any first impression or rookie year. Relax on last years draft until it plays out.

[Packers4Glory]

Time speaks to a drafts effectiveness more than any first impression or rookie year. Relax on last years draft until it plays out.

missing the point. I'm not saying it couldn't end up being a good class. It just wasn't the time to draft for the future. It was a draft to go out and try to find ways to shore up the DL and WR spot among others. we were a game away from the SB and we got ran out of the stadium in SF and the WR class was deep. I know we're spoiled but believe it or not these SB windows are short.

[sharpe1027]

missing the point. I'm not saying it couldn't end up being a good class. It just wasn't the time to draft for the future. It was a draft to go out and try to find ways to shore up the DL and WR spot among others. we were a game away from the SB and we got ran out of the stadium in SF and the WR class was deep. I know we're spoiled but believe it or not these SB windows are short.

So, what? Do they jettison the entire front office because Aaron doesn't agree with a late first round pick? What's your solution?

[RashanGary]

missing the point. I'm not saying it couldn't end up being a good class. It just wasn't the time to draft for the future. It was a draft to go out and try to find ways to shore up the DL and WR spot among others. we were a game away from the SB and we got ran out of the stadium in SF and the WR class was deep. I know we're spoiled but believe it or not these SB windows are short.

I think you overestimate the impact of the first year of a draft to the degree that no rookie draft class has ever put a team over the hump because the rookie year is the least impactful year of any draft.

And at the same time that you’re over estimating rookie impact, you’re underestimating 2nd abd 3rd year contributions.

It’s dramatic and definitely feeds into fans irrational desires to win a title in any given one year span. It has its draw. But being realistic, that it is not.

[King Friday]

I'm sensing some backpedaling here that could've been more useful during the NFCC game.

[Fritz]

missing the point. I'm not saying it couldn't end up being a good class. It just wasn't the time to draft for the future. It was a draft to go out and try to find ways to shore up the DL and WR spot among others. we were a game away from the SB and we got ran out of the stadium in SF and the WR class was deep. I know we're spoiled but believe it or not these SB windows are short.

I totally agree. I think the Packers should've emulated the Seahawks. They have a GM, John Schneider, whom many here think the Packers should've promoted years ago or stole back from Seattle. Seattle always beats the Packers to the punch when it comes to making smart moves to win now.

So for example in the past year or two they've gone all in. They traded for Jadaveon Clowney when they needed a pass rush to make a difference in the playoffs and have traded future picks so they could win now, while they have Russell Wilson. They traded their first round pick to the Jets for safety Jamal Adams so they had him for last year and not wait around like the Packers and other teams do.

So last year they did get to the playoffs and they . . . oh, wait, they lost in the wild card round. But anyway, John Schneider is so, so smart that this year they drafted . . . oh, wait, they had only three picks in the entire draft - in the second, the fourth, and sixth rounds.

Well, anyway, the Packers have won only ONE Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers, but since Russell Wilson came on board the Seahawks have won . . . oh, wait, one Super Bowl.

[RashanGary]

I totally agree. I think the Packers should've emulated the Seahawks. They have a GM, John Schneider, whom many here think the Packers should've promoted years ago or stole back from Seattle. Seattle always beats the Packers to the punch when it comes to making smart moves to win now.

So for example in the past year or two they've gone all in. They traded for Jadaveon Clowney when they needed a pass rush to make a difference in the playoffs and have traded future picks so they could win now, while they have Russell Wilson. They traded their first round pick to the Jets for safety Jamal Adams so they had him for last year and not wait around like the Packers and other teams do.

So last year they did get to the playoffs and they . . . oh, wait, they lost in the wild card round. But anyway, John Schneider is so, so smart that this year they drafted . . . oh, wait, they had only three picks in the entire draft - in the second, the fourth, and sixth rounds.

Well, anyway, the Packers have won only ONE Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers, but since Russell Wilson came on board the Seahawks have won . . . oh, wait, one Super Bowl.

Good point. The “go all in” is often painted as a guarantee. It’s always presented as, we lost but had we done this, we were guaranteed a win.

It’s not like that. Stay in it every year like we do and we’ll eventually have that lucky year like 2010 again.

[Bossman641]

Today's rumor.... The death knell in the Rodgers-Gute relationship was Gute releasing Kumerow.

You just can't make this stuff up.

[Joemailman]

Packers moved on from Favre in 2008. Rodgers had never started a game. Lot of people thought they were crazy. As late as mid-season 2009 Aaron Rodgers had a win/loss record of 10-14 as a starter. Favre was lighting it up in Minnesota. Then things changed. By the end of the 2010 season Packers were Super Bowl champs and Favre's career was over. Old quarterbacks, even the greatest ones eventually fade away. Just saying that if Rodgers refuses to honor his contract with the Packers, there's a good chance this turns out better for the Packers than for Rodgers.

[RashanGary]

Today's rumor.... The death knell in the Rodgers-Gute relationship was Gute releasing Kumerow.

You just can't make this stuff up.

We’re dealing with a brat. The best thing to do is to kiss his ass to his face and then dig in because he has 3 years left on the deal. We’re never gonna have a QB who understands other peoples decisions but we sure might have 12 under center this year mostly because he doesn’t have the ability to do whatever he wants under the current contract he’s in.

12 is a great player but still human. Gute gonna have to put on his armor and deal with the star personality. We’ll see what happens.

[RashanGary]

Packers moved on from Favre in 2008. Rodgers had never started a game. Lot of people thought they were crazy. As late as mid-season 2009 Aaron Rodgers had a win/loss record of 10-14 as a starter. Favre was lighting it up in Minnesota. Then things changed. By the end of the 2010 season Packers were Super Bowl champs and Favre's career was over. Old quarterbacks, even the greatest ones eventually fade away. Just saying that if Rodgers refuses to honor his contract with the Packers, there's a good chance this turns out better for the Packers than for Rodgers.

Yep. It’s unfortunate for all sides. But more unfortunate for Rodgers. He’s under contract for three more years. Brady got to go to any team he wanted because he let his contract run out. Rodgers can do that too, when he’s 40. But for now, he agreed to the contract he signed a couple years ago to give him 100+million dollars and he’s gotta play by NFL rules if he wants to be in the NFL.

[texaspackerbacker]

Today's rumor.... The death knell in the Rodgers-Gute relationship was Gute releasing Kumerow.

You just can't make this stuff up.

hahahahahaha Which icon of truth in the media came up with this one?

[RashanGary]

hahahahahaha Which icon of truth in the media came up with this one?

It’s funny though! Rodgers the player is legendary. The person is a little on the thick skulled and stubborn side. I feel about the same about him now as last year. You can see this being in his personality.

[King Friday]

I think we know what will happen if Gute plays hardball... The petulant child will have to do an about face and realize that he signed a contract and has to live by it. This retirement talk is complete rubbish. Rodgers is not retiring right now.