What do we have in Jordan Love?

[Spaulding]

We'll all have a much better idea of where Love stands obviously with mini-camps (should they happen) and at least some preseason activity to help gauge this year if all goes well. Can't imagine how tough it was last year for a developmental QB to miss out on all of that.

Short article from heavy regarding Love and his improvement - take it for what it's worth:

- https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-p...workout-video/

From what I've read, he's a hard worker and fairly humble. Hopefully that means he's got a good head on his shoulders and can take the next step if needed depending how the Rodgers stuff plays out.

[SudsMcBucky]

If one of you film gurus would like to go look at Love's Junior year film when he had a better surrounding cast, I'd like to hear your thoughts. I just don't have the time to do that.

[bobblehead]

I don't think he is. Allen is kind of a freak. Practically the same 40m, vertical, and broad jumps, but Allen had him beat comfortably in the shuttle and 3 cone. Not to mention height, weight, and power. Allen's RAS score was 9.67. Love's RAS was 8.46. Allen also has a stronger arm than just about everybody. It's the reason Allen went top 10 and Love went late 1st. Love had him beat on accuracy coming out of college, but Allen has made incredible gains in accuracy his first few years in the NFL.

But Love is black and Allen is white, so Love is the better athlete. Just saying.

[RashanGary]

If one of you film gurus would like to go look at Love's Junior year film when he had a better surrounding cast, I'd like to hear your thoughts. I just don't have the time to do that.

I watched 3 games, among them was at least one from the previous year. Love throws really well even when the pocket is crashing. He has a rocket arm. He moves really well but needs to improve his throw on the move skillset because he’s inaccurate when running.

He’s a really good prospect. If he works his ass off, he’ll be an NFL starter. He’s gonna greatly benefit from one more year watching Rodgers. I think Rodgers opened his mind to thinking outside the box from watching Favre and that’s a nice fast forward for Love too if he gets that opportunity.

[Packers4Glory]

He may turn out to be a good QB. who knows. But at this point, fair or unfair, he had better be a stud in order to justify the pick and fall out. I didn't hear much of anything about him last year good or bad development wise. I find it odd they just let Boyle walk. that has to speak something positive towards what they were seeing at the end of the year? I actually thought Boyle could win you a couple games if needed and Adams was healthy vs some of the lesser teams along with the running game.

[Tony Oday]

another 15 year Hall of Famer that is what we have in JL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If one of you film gurus would like to go look at Love's Junior year film when he had a better surrounding cast, I'd like to hear your thoughts. I just don't have the time to do that.

I thought his tape was good that year. If he had come out after that year, he would have been drafted in the top half of the 1st round. His tape from the Michigan State game was solid--even though it was his worst statistical game of the year. He threw two interceptions (one while he was hit), but he made a bunch of impressive throws. Utah State was outmanned by a Michigan State defense that was a top 10 defense in college football that year. After that game, he threw 32 TDs and 4 interceptions.

Jordan Love vs. Michigan St 2018

[HarveyWallbangers]

But Love is black and Allen is white, so Love is the better athlete. Just saying.

I'm sure Spaulding didn't mean it like that. More that Allen is Big Ben sized (6'5"+ 240). You don't expect him to move like he does.

[Spaulding]

From a measurables stand point it's hard not to like Love as a QB as he checks all the boxes. Also in his defense he was in an established system he knew with better supporting cast in 2018 under Wells when he shined like a franchise QB. His regression in 2019 under a new system and coach (Anderson who all us Badger fans know and hate) along with weaker roster makes some sense.

It's just hard to tell when you see some of the easy picks he threw to underneath coverage in 2019 means to expect that or his higher level of play in 2018. It's no surprise he's a developmental type QB and will need some time to adjust to the Packers system and speed of play in the NFL.

I think people forget the stigma of Tedford QB's and Rodgers coming out. Obviously enough GM's didn't think he was elite or otherwise he wouldn't have been there for the Packers late in the first round. Rodgers didn't look like the next great thing until he flashed in Dallas season three I thought.

It's such a crap shoot though.

[RashanGary]

You can still judge him on the bad team. He still threw well when everything was crashing around him and his awful WRs had no separation. His losing tape was still good QB tape. It just didn’t end well even though he did everything he could to give his team a chance

[RashanGary]

Jordan love had good 2018 tape and good 2019 tape. The 2018 tape had more team success and it shows what he looks like in good situations. The 2019 tape showed that he’ll still scrap and claw when things are stacked against him. I thought he looked good both years.

He’s gonna have to work hard on his accuracy on the run. Other than that, I thought he showed up as an elite QB prospect, easily worthy of a first round pick.

If they’re right on him being a grinder and a worker, they’ll probably be right on him as a player because he’s close to everything you want and the one real short coming, I think is a developable trait.

[RashanGary]

If Rodgers refuses to play, it could come down to him retiring early.

Jordan Love is in a good situation. He got to be in the QB room with the goat for a year. He’s in the second year under the same offense. That’s much better than a rookie learning new language. He’s had a year to work on his biggest weaknesses. He’s on a pretty good team. If Rodgers retires, I think it shows how stubborn and hard to manage he is as a person. It makes the Jordan Love pick make so much more sense and Love is still in a good spot to have early success. I hope he’s a worker and wants to be great because he has a shot!

[Packers4Glory]

If Rodgers refuses to play, it could come down to him retiring early.

Jordan Love is in a good situation. He got to be in the QB room with the goat for a year. He’s in the second year under the same offense. That’s much better than a rookie learning new language. He’s had a year to work on his biggest weaknesses. He’s on a pretty good team. If Rodgers retires, I think it shows how stubborn and hard to manage he is as a person. It makes the Jordan Love pick make so much more sense and Love is still in a good spot to have early success. I hope he’s a worker and wants to be great because he has a shot!

LOL

[texaspackerbacker]

I, of all people, am certainly not saying this is gonna happen, but (serious question) if Aaron Rodgers did retire and complied with contract law requiring him to pay back $33 million bonus money as I've read he would have to do, would the cap hit then be $33 million less than otherwise? And what if he declared bankruptcy or something and retired but didn't pay it back? Anyway, that shit ain't gonna happen.

Keeping on track with this thread title, I wouldn't be surprised if Love does turn out good - probably not Mahomes good, almost certainly not Rodgers good, but a quality NFL starter for many years. I also wouldn't be surprised if he flops miserably. I'd put the odds of both of those extremes at about 25% with it being a 50% probability that ends up somewhere in between. The point is, nobody knows at this point. The team may have a slight inkling, but neither posters nor media assholes have any clue.

This is the third time I've posted this (sorry hahahaha), but it seems infinitely sensible to me. If we re-up and extend Rodgers to the end of Love's rookie contract and maybe a year or two beyond, BY THAT TIME IT WILL BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT LOVE. He would be cheap all that time - even the first year of a potential new contract with a big bonus and small cap it, so no burden to keeping him on the roster. If it becomes apparent that he is bombing out, dump him or trade him. If he really is good, make him the next long term Packer QB - after about 5 or 6 more years of Rodgers. If all the shit posted about what Rodgers wants is true, that should satisfy him, and it would IMO be the obvious and ideal solution to this situation that so many portray as a problem.

[RashanGary]

I, of all people, am certainly not saying this is gonna happen, but (serious question) if Aaron Rodgers did retire and complied with contract law requiring him to pay back $33 million bonus money as I've read he would have to do, would the cap hit then be $33 million less than otherwise? And what if he declared bankruptcy or something and retired but didn't pay it back? Anyway, that shit ain't gonna .

Rodgers will have to pay back a bunch of money and the cap hit will go way down. Rodgers isn’t in a position to get whatever he wants. Hopefully all sides can communicate and come to better understandings so it doesn’t end nuclear. But Rodgers is stubborn and so are the Packers. I would say it’s 95% gonna be fine and 5% gonna end in retirement for 12.