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  • #91
    One of my favorite sites to review, for the draft is THEDRAFTNETWORK. I like the fact that they give multiple views of analysis of players. Below is everything they had on Jordan Love.

    THEDRAFTNETWORK:

    MARINO:

    PROS: Checks the boxes in terms of size and body composition. Good mobility and athleticism; capable of extending plays with his feet, hitting throws on the move and taking off with the ball in his hands. Sound mechanically and can hit throws from a variety of arm slots. Over the top release that is lighting quick. Does well to follow through and get his legs involved on throws. Love how he hangs in the pocket and keeps his eyes down the field. Willing to test leverage advantages in man coverage and slot throws between zones. Aware of his outlets. Has the arm talent to make any throw. Has some impressive moments of ball placement to all levels.

    CONS: Needs to improve his field vision and awareness. Often fails to recognize or completely disregards coverage rotations and it doesn’t have a great enough impact on his decision making. He throws some careless, YOLO balls that need to be reduced. While there is a lot to like about his willingness to be patient and stay in the pocket, his internal clock is often tardy. Can be aggressive vertically to fault. Has to find more consistency with timing and progressions. Has general accuracy with plenty of misfires.

    BEST TRAIT - Physical Gifts

    WORST TRAIT - Decision Making

    RED FLAGS - None

    NFL COMP - Colin Kaepernick

    Jordan Love isn’t without his warts but he possesses a high-level physical skill set and peaks on tape that reveal the ceiling of a potential dynamic NFL starting quarterback. His arm talent and mobility is perfect for the trends of today’s NFL and there is no limitations to what he can do on the field. The full playbook is open for Love and then some. With that said, he does need to make notable strides in several key areas including decision-making, timing and accuracy to achieve his ceiling. An early investment in Love is a bet on yourself to be able to develop his overall game but his upside is worth the calculated risk.

    FINAL EVALUATION

    SOLAK

    Accuracy: Has some delightful flashes and is generally NFL-quality here. Biggest missed throws are a result of being on different pages with his receivers in regards to downfield adjustments, or just those throws where he forgets to look at where the defenders are. Touch throws, especially through intermediate and deep windows, and throwing players covered to uncovered, are unteachable and high-quality.

    Decision-Making: Does not have an actionable process in the pocket and is extremely risk prone with the football. Attacks his first read without adjustment to potential outplays by the defense and often panics on the hoof, throwing into congested areas or to players he can't realistically reach. Extremely scattershot on late downs with a ton of panic.

    Poise: Not so much poised as he is just unaware of the pocket collapsing. Willing to look in the face of pressure developing down the middle and still deliver downfield while being hit, but is risk-prone in this regard and will throw poorly-planned jump balls in response to pressure frequently. Not a desirable late game/red zone/late down QB at this stage as he has some panic to his game.

    Arm Strength: It just comes easy to the kid. Has a flick-of-the-wrist release to short areas that gets the ball out in a hurry but doesn't sacrifice zip. Flexible frame with rubber band action through the wrist and elbow to whip intermediate throws on a line and hit receivers in stride. Ball jumps off the hand. Ability to take some zest off of it and feather it in there with touch and timing is really quite ridiculous. Best throws are arm talent throws.

    Pocket Management: Has good movement skills, contact balance, and an active base in the pocket to escape the first pressure and retain his ability to work downfield. With that said, has a poor sense of spacing. Will climb into a pocket that is doesn't require it and accordingly force himself to launch hurriedly and from poor platforms. Feet will die at the top of his drop at times, putting him behind the eight-ball in terms of reacting to pressure.

    Mobility: Natural mover with good athleticism throughout his frame. Can withstand glancing pressure or outrun sluggish defensive linemen in space to keep the play alive. Threat to pull it on read options and RPOs and rip off healthy gains, though not really a true tackle-breaker or homerun threat with the ball tucked. Has a quality throw-on-move profile that showcases his natural arm.

    Progressions: He's not a progression thrower at this stage in his career. Reads a half-field deep to shallow and doesn't have to reset his feet in the pocket. Shows good eye manipulation in his drops when the defense is as he expected pre-snap, but cannot adjust his process to shifting safeties and loses his hot route regularly by the time he finishes his drop. Cannot manipulate layered zone coverages or put sail corners in conflict at this stage in his development.

    Anticipation: Just couldn't tell you what he's looking at, at times. Has no respect for post-snap movement of underneath defenders and at times doesn't even correctly ID defenders pre-snap at times. Needs to see it before he throws it at most levels of the field and is often jumpy attacking seemingly open players in closing windows.

    Mechanics: He's an extremely loose mover and it shows up in his throwing mechanics. Natural release with the ability to get hip rotation from a number of platforms and while he's in and out of timing. Able to adjust his arm slot as the situation demands it without a significant drop-off in accuracy. Isn't as rigorous and disciplined with his lower half as you'd like to see, but doesn't seem to suffer for it.



    Round Grade: Early 3

    Best Trait: Arm Strength

    Worst Trait: Anticipation

    Player Comparison: Jake Locker



    Summary: Jordan Love is an incomplete passer who has understandably attracted the NFL eye with the ceiling offered by his natural talent. Love's natural release of the football, ability to throw receivers covered to uncovered with touch, and extension of plays all profile as a high-caliber playmaker in the NFL in the mold of a Mahomes, Wilson, or Rodgers. With that said, nothing about Love's play is yet normalized: he does not set his throwing base, get into his drop, identify his read, or place the football with anything resembling consistency. Love will be picked on by NFL defenders if forced to start early in his career, and I believe he is a strong candidate to sit for a season as he adjusts to the speed of NFL play and scripts for himself a better response to pressure packages and safety rotations. Love is a boom/bust prospect who will be overdrafted for his boom, and his stock is conditional on landing with a team willing to do the hard work of developing him.

    HARRIS

    Jordan aligns at QB for the Aggie spread offense, mostly from the gun. He has good overall athleticism for the position. He has a Carson Wentz like windup and delivery of the football and although he has a quick release, getting his operation more efficient will speed up his delivery even more. He is quick in his drop and shows good foot work in the pocket. Due to having an offensive line that struggled with protecting, he spends a lot of time retreating and throwing off his back foot. However, when he has a clean pocket he has shown the ability to deliver the ball with zip and accuracy. He was also forced to make quick decisions and was not a good decision maker in these instances. His mechanics began to suffer as the game progressed when faced with consistent pressure from the rush. He can change his arm angle on check-downs and other short area throws to fit in tight windows. He does a good job of helping the protection with his decisiveness and by getting the ball out quickly. He has good escapability and does a very good job of extending plays with his legs. His quick release, decisiveness and internal timer allow him to makes plays on schedule. His good athleticism, ability to improvise and his good mobility allow him to make plays off schedule, giving the offense another opportunity. He does a very good job of keeping his eyes downfield when escaping the pocket and has shown good accuracy and touch on the move. He has shown good accuracy and touch on intermediate to deep throws, putting the ball on the number away from the defender and allowing the receiver to catch and run. He needs to do a better job of throwing the ball away to avoid negative plays and not forcing the ball into tight windows. In the NFL, I believe this player develops into a starter by year 2. He will need to break some bad habits, learn to make better decisions under duress and trust his protection up front. He will also need time to develop other nuances of the position, like reading defenses from under center and manipulating safeties with his eyes. With that said, his skill set is a good fit for todays NFL. The arrow is definitely pointing up with this player and his best football is ahead of him.

    Updated: 04/05/2020

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    • #92
      CRABBS

      Arm Accuracy - Natural placement and accuracy is really impressive to all levels of the field and shows ability to throw with accuracy from different arm slots. Will throw short game away from 2nd level defenders. Consistency can wane but as a byproduct of mechanics. Some eye popping throws.

      Decision Making - Seems to predetermine some throws thanks to favorable pre-snap reads. Turnovers became problematic in 2019 as a byproduct of looking for big plays. Was forced to throw a lot of tight window balls due to separation issues throughout 2019 season.

      Progressions - He'll use the full field of play and his flashes of eye manipulation are really nice. That said, too often he'll key on his first read and guide defenders to the ball. He thrives with stacked reads or working the ISO receiver. Most mistakes come vs. murky middle of the field zones.

      Anticipation - Some of his spot throws are just absolutely delightful — laces balls to hit targets in stride. Anticipates defenders breaking as well and will work to throw away from receivers. He does a pretty nice job of identifying pressure opportunities to throw hot.

      Poise - Thrives often in the off script plays. Has a knack for extended plays and often hits big shots down the field after stretching and stressing the defense with his feet. Forced to work in tight window throws and develop no fear testing tight man coverage during time at USU.

      Arm Strength - He's got a cannon — can easily push the ball when he's throwing into tight window throws and zip ball into tight spaces. His deep outs and back shoulder throws to far side of the field arrive with pace. All throws are available to him thanks to power he gets on the ball.

      Pocket Awareness - He's got a nice feel for collapsing pocket and has plenty of short area quickness to step up or flush out gaps. He rarely works himself into trouble within the pocket and likes to roll out once he feels pressure manifesting. Willing to climb the ladder vs. outside pressure.

      Mechanics - Will rely too much on his arm to get the job done and as a result he'll float throws without adequate transfer. It's an easy fix but a bad habit. When he's dialed in, he's picturesque with his throwing motion and form when surveying the pocket and working through reads.

      Footwork - His lower half can go stale on him and further expand on accuracy consistency and lack of regular results to drive the ball. That said, he's clean in his drops, light on his feet and makes effort to reset his base as he works across the field of play to scan through progressions.

      Mobility - He's a legit two way threat who has seen some running packages built into game plans. He's got great speed for his size and runs tough to punish smaller defenders. Will beat the blitz and tear up man coverage if he's able to break contain of the pocket.

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      Best Trait - Arm Strength

      Worst Trait - Decision Making

      Best Film - San Jose State (2018)

      Worst Film - LSU (2019)

      Red Flags - None

      Player Summary - Jordan Love has franchise quarterback qualities and should be regarded as a prospect with a Pro Bowl ceiling. Love's statistical regression in 2019 isn't indicative of a regression in skills or decision making — was a victim of poor supporting cast in many instances. Love will need patience and must go to a team with coaching staff able to nurture, develop and cater passing schemes to where he thrives. He isn't plug and play but he's a potential game changing QB.

      REID

      Background: Love's father, Orbin, never made it past the junior college level as a player, but he quickly turned to join the police force afterwards. He was a member of the Bakersfield Police Department for nearly 30 years. July 13, 2013, will forever be a day that Love remembers. This is the day that his father tragically took his own life. Love, only 14 years old at the time, remained in a dark place for years now that his childhood hero was no longer beside him. His mother, Anna, who is a California Highway Patrol officer and Love’s three sisters are his biggest inspiration.

      During his final two seasons at Liberty High School, he combined for 4,078 passing yards, nearly 1,200 rushing yards, and 55 total touchdowns. Despite being named as the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) Conference Offensive Player of the Year, he only received one Division I offer, which came from Utah State. After redshirting during his first year on campus (2016), he returned to appear in all 12 games the following season as he went on to start the team’s final five games. Love’s 1,631 passing yards set a new freshman mark, while also adding eight touchdowns to six interceptions.

      As a redshirt sophomore (2018), he engineered the Aggie offense to a school record 11 win season. During that timespan, he went on to set second-year records in passing yards (3,567), touchdown passes (32) and 300-yard passing games (seven). Love completed 267 passes during his sophomore campaign, which is the second-best output in school history. One of the biggest talked about risers heading into his third season, much was to be expected of Love.

      Due to the teams offensive success, a coaching change ensued as head coach Matt Wells transitioned to Texas Tech after six seasons at the helm. With that, Love endured many trying times as he faced the challenges of a new coaching staff and losing many of his top weapons. Taking a step back in 2019 because of many variables, Love finished with 3,402 passing yards, 20 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Prior to the teams bowl game, Love and two other teammates were charged with possession of marijuana (Dec. 2019).

      Scheme Fit: Erhardt-Perkins/West Coast

      Round Projection: Mid-Late 1st (Potential to Climb)

      Positives (+)

      Fiery Release: Love possesses a snappy, over the top release that enables the ball to come out of his hand with plenty of purpose. Coming out of his hand with plenty of juice, his passes have lots of zip behind them as a result of quick wrist snaps and core strength behind it. Once he realizes where he wants to attack coverages, his motion is quick and compact. The added urgency behind the motion helps him throw the ball effortlessly to any area desirable.

      Touch/Ball Speed Awareness: While having a strong arm and well developed accuracy, Love has high IQ levels of knowing what type of pitches to use in certain situations. Knowing that fastballs aren’t always needed and only using them when necessary, his touch and feel for the amount of velocity to put on each throw is evident.

      Changing Launch Points: Love is an average athlete, but he also excels when throwing on the run or off the original launch point. He was involved in an offense that frequently incorporated pocket movements and rollout passes. The former Aggie signal-caller proved to be plenty comfortable with the changing of throwing areas and his accuracy was able to stay intact despite being on the move.

      Negatives (–)

      Jumping Into Deep Passes: A mannerism that needs to be broken is his habit of jumping into his deep passes with a bit of a gallup. Without planting his back leg and standing firm in order to guide the ball into desired spots, his accuracy suffers. (Air Force and LSU – 2019) The repeated nature of him doing this resulted in a lot of his vertical passes along the sidelines to fall short and usually resulting in turnovers or missed opportunities.

      Locked Eyes/Manipulation: Love’s eyes will become locked onto initial reads and there’s a massive delay of awareness with knowing when to advance to the next option in his progression. He can be forceful with his decision making and display over the top confidence in his arm talent even when it’s clear that the ball shouldn’t have been thrown into certain areas. Unable to see underneath coverage resulted in lots of poor decisions as he remained completely blind of it. Defenses were able to disguise their coverages successfully against Love due to a poor level of post-snap structure recognition.

      High-Low Variances: A valley of high and low moments, his flash plays are more up-and-down than a seesaw. His high moments leave you wanting an endless supply of more while his low moments will leave you scratching your head and asking what he was seeing on that certain play. Following a breakout 2018 season, he was unable to rekindle that stretch of play for a lengthy period of during his final season.

      Projection: Opinions about Love will remain mixed, but there’s no doubting his arm talent and other traits that are already present. Of any prospect in this draft, no career none other than Love’s will be more dependent on their landing spot. His production fell off of a cliff following the 2018 season, but there will be some teams that feel as if that was his true form and that they could eventually help him return to it.

      Firmly believing that Love will eventually become a top-15 selection, he will need at least a year to sit behind a well-established veteran before he’s ready to take on a role as a full-time starter. His decision making and footwork need refinement and that time as an understudy will help him. If shown the right amounts of patience also while nurturing him along the way, a team could turn him into a high-end starting QB that turns into a face of the franchise type of player.

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      • #93
        I did not realize this, but in 2019 not only did he lose a bunch of wr's and lineman but he had a new coaching staff. The same idiot that left Wisconsin after two years, Gary Anderson.

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        • #94
          It's also worth noting that draftnetwork had an early 2nd round rating on Kyler Murray, but acknowledged in their mocks that he'd get picked first overall because he was the top QB in his class.

          Some scouts had Love as the #2QB in his class allegedly. He's worthy of a late R1/early R2 IMO, I just thought it shouldn't have been by GB. Thought it was a year early to pick a QB high given Rodgers' contract.
          I'm not a GM or work in pro football personnel so what do I know.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Sparkey View Post
            I did not realize this, but in 2019 not only did he lose a bunch of wr's and lineman but he had a new coaching staff. The same idiot that left Wisconsin after two years, Gary Anderson.
            They had lost 9 of the 10 offensive starters other than him. So you had a bunch of inexperienced guys learning a new offense. Tough situation.
            I can't run no more
            With that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places
            Say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
            A thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • #96
              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
              I’m sold on him. I thought he looked good in his worst statistical game vs Michigan State. This was his last college game. I’ve never seen it before. He was great. I agree with this guy. How did PFF grade this as a 70? Everybody should check this out to see what we have.

              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=30202Ya3IvE
              This guy really hated our '21 draft.

              E: I noticed the left guard on Utah State's 2019 squad is a pretty good player. He was a R-Freshman in this video, and they made it easy for him. His name is Henelei Bloomfield, and he transferred to Oregon State for 2021.
              Last edited by smuggler; 05-07-2021, 08:20 AM.

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              • #97
                I want Rodgers AND Love. It's apparent based on pre-draft reports that they didn't "overdraft" to get him. It's also arguably stupid based on fit and need that they drafted him. Clearly, we shoulda waited until a later year to draft a QB. But now we've got him. There's no reason whatsoever to dump him while he's cheap in his rookie contract. That would presumably be four more years. We need to induce Rodgers to play for the Packers for that four years at least - maybe more. If Love looks like the real deal by then, sign him to a second contract - the first year of which would still have a low cap hit. That would be the fifth year from now of Rodgers (2025). Rodgers could then retire peacefully or get traded still for a decent amount for '26 and beyond, or if it is apparent by then that Love ain't the future, we could likely re-sign Rodgers and squeeze a few more years out of him.

                Of course, all of this depends on good sense prevailing now - either with Gutekunst or getting rid of him and extending Rodgers without Gutekunst.
                What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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                • #98
                  To be clear, I think Love has a good of a chance as any tier 4 QB prospect of success - not great based on historical precedent. I have no beef with the guy and wish him well. That said, my longstanding view is that QBs are getting better and better and the likelihood of success has gone up could very well apply here. It seems like there are fewer gargantuan busts, moreso just a lot of guys who bounce around the league and end up as backups or jags e.g. Jared Goff and Carson Wentz (I'm still high on Wentz FWIW).

                  I think it isn't acting in his best interest if you commit to him being a backup for the first four years of his career. If the plan is to commit to ARod for 3+ more years, it is being extremely shitty to Love if you don't give him the opportunity to play ball.

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                  • #99
                    Matt LaFleur's record with developing QB's argues against the idea that Rodgers' successor will be unsuccessful. RGIII, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan and Rodgers all had arguably their best seasons while being coached by LaFleur. With the exception of Rodgers, I think Love has more natural ability than any of those guys.
                    I can't run no more
                    With that lawless crowd
                    While the killers in high places
                    Say their prayers out loud
                    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                    A thundercloud
                    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                    • Yep, I think the system is extremely QB friendly. In general I think the overwhelming majority of long term starters for Papa Shanahan and his underlings have made a pro bowl or two.

                      That said, Deshone Kizer comes to mind. Big guy, big time arm, athleticism, tier 4 prospect, etc. Was horrible!

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                      • Lafleur has success with QBs
                        Wolfs GM tree has success finding QBs

                        Big arm, compact release, mobile, throws guys open, has touch when he needs it, etc... he’s got a lot of the tools to succeed.
                        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                        • Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                          Yep, I think the system is extremely QB friendly. In general I think the overwhelming majority of long term starters for Papa Shanahan and his underlings have made a pro bowl or two.

                          That said, Deshone Kizer comes to mind. Big guy, big time arm, athleticism, tier 4 prospect, etc. Was horrible!
                          Love sure ain’t a sure thing. I think even the most hopeful Love fans know there’s a bust potential.
                          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                          • More likely than not he’ll be disappointing & underwhelming. And in the end it may not be all his fault if he has a weak group of WR as we’ve positioned ourselves to have in 2022 & beyond. Hopefully theres a strong line & running game

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                            • Originally posted by Packers4Glory View Post
                              More likely than not he’ll be disappointing & underwhelming. And in the end it may not be all his fault if he has a weak group of WR as we’ve positioned ourselves to have in 2022 & beyond. Hopefully theres a strong line & running game
                              Yeah. Hardly anyone will argue too much about the uncertainty about how good he'll be. The best minds in football turn out wrong time all the time.
                              Last edited by sharpe1027; 05-07-2021, 07:49 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Packers4Glory View Post
                                More likely than not he’ll be disappointing & underwhelming. And in the end it may not be all his fault if he has a weak group of WR as we’ve positioned ourselves to have in 2022 & beyond. Hopefully theres a strong line & running game
                                Just curious, what leads you to believe the Packers receiver core will be weak in 2022 ?

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