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  • #1

    Amos vrs savage.

    Until we see stokes in action I would argue our starting saftey are the strongest defensive unit we have. The nitro package with Smith bros and Gary is up there but that is just on obvious passing downs.

    My question is do we see a third year jump for savage and he over takes amos as #1?
    To my eyes amos is top 10 in the league already. So savage over taking him puts savagein the 2nd team all pro discussion.

    Either of these two look that good to you guys? Amos does most of the time to me and is only missing the ints, but the ball doesn't go his way. I think savage will start pushing the ball more often to Amos area as he ascends.
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    I hate to look to the past, but Collins made a jump in year 4. If Savage makes a jump like that he will finally be the deep FS that they have been missing since Nick.
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    • #3
      Collins and Sharper both made jumps in year 4. They both went from young, ascending, error prone players to Pro Bowlers in year 4. Savage has only played 2 years. I'm confident he'll take a jump like those guys in the next two years.

      Amos is just plain solid--a better than average starter who'll likely never be elite (Collins, Earl Thomas, Ed Reed elite).
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      • #4
        Agree; Amos is Solid. Savage can be special if he develops. Solid to stellar duo
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        • #5
          Are they the best safety duo in the league? I think Amos is criminally underrated. To my untrained and uninformed eye, he is not a superstar that changes a game but he is extremely solid and does

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          • #6
            Hope I'm wrong, but I have largely felt they are the most over rated part of the team. I haven't seen anything special from either one to be honest. Collins flashed big time before he finally broke out. My opinion of them is they are both middle of the pack safeties. Amos as a box safety being middle of the pack is over paid. just my 2 cents.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
              Hope I'm wrong, but I have largely felt they are the most over rated part of the team. I haven't seen anything special from either one to be honest. Collins flashed big time before he finally broke out. My opinion of them is they are both middle of the pack safeties. Amos as a box safety being middle of the pack is over paid. just my 2 cents.
              Savage didn't flash with his 4 interceptions in his last 6 games--including some acrobatic ones?

              Amos is really solid. Has graded well in pass defense and run defense for three years running (including his last year in Chicago).

              The duo is already one of the best in the NFL--with the potential to be top 3.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                Amos is above-average but not Pro-Bowl. Savage wasn't as good as Amos but he improved as the year went on.
                Amos is what he is at this point, Savage still has room to get better and probably will. This year Savage might overtake Amos. I'd like to see a little more before I say he'll be as good as Collins.

                I don't know if they are a top 5 tandem; safety play is not always obvious unless you watch a lot of All-22 from around the league and know what their responsibilities are in that defensive scheme and play-call. Would you say either was a top 10 safety last year? I'm not sure I would.

                I do know they are a huge improvement over the days of MD Jennings, or even Ha-Ha. They overpaid for Amos because he was a FA, but moreso because they had to after trading HaHa and admitting their other safeties were garbage. Seems like they're doing a little better job of paying attention to that position.

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                • #9
                  If you were to ask me who the best defenders are on the team, I think I'd say Kenny Clark, Amos, then Z in that order. Hot take, I guess.

                  Whoops, forgot about the CB, who is #1 obviously.

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                  • #10
                    I really feel like we are getting an ascending secondary if stokes is a quality #2. Big if but he has near jaire potential.

                    Can we actually splurge on an ilb next draft before the 6th rd??
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                    • #11
                      Both them seem a lot more impressive in some games than others. Savage has a lot of potential, and at times he reminded me of Nick Collins last season. If Stokes really is a shut down Corner, same as Jaire, then our Safetys should both have some chances for picks and breakups.

                      vs.? Like who's better? I like Savage because of the speed, but Amos has the experience and toughness against the run. I've got plenty of bad memories about a big hole in the middle of the field where opponents can pass at will. Hopefully this year we don't see much of that.
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                      • #12
                        i have no clue if they are the top duo in the league, but they are far from our problem on defense and both very capable players

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                          Savage didn't flash with his 4 interceptions in his last 6 games--including some acrobatic ones?
                          I guess I should give him some credit, but it looked like he only earned one of those and the other 3 were sort of easy. Much like the King picks in 2019. I just haven't seen him MAKE plays as opposed to being ok sort of. I want to see him streak in and take the ball, or light up a back who is running towards the edge. He generally is in the right position I guess, but as I said, that is middle of the pack stuff.
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                          • #14
                            Middle of the pack is 3 picks? I say 3 because on 1 he 'earned' so im ok eliminating that one. But the average safety gets 3 picks just from being in the right spot? Which decade? Because that is simply not accurate in the last 10 years.
                            I would argue an elite safety is just 'in the right position' for 90 % of the plays and showing your flash on the last 10%. So 4 to 5 plays a game.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zool View Post
                              I hate to look to the past, but Collins made a jump in year 4. If Savage makes a jump like that he will finally be the deep FS that they have been missing since Nick.
                              I thought Collins broke through to GREATNESS. I don't see Savage doing that. He hasn't flashed the same way. If he can breakthrough to truly being a top 10 safety I'm thrilled. Collins was right their with Polamalu and Ed Reed when he got hurt. I don't ever see Savage that way. But a nice eraser roaming the back line. I could see that.
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