Official Jordan Love Bandwagon Thread:

[Fritz]

Hopefully not high.

[bobblehead]

We were way too high on Jordan Love going into last season.

I"m not sure what he will be this year ?

This is the make or break. If he indeed was suffering from lingering injury all season I'd call last year a success. You expect that drop as a year 2 starter as defenses had a look at him and an offseason to plan. His drop wasn't too bad. I still put him right around the #10 QB in the league which is nothing to sneeze at.

[ThunderDan]

Just to pile on, I think that knee injury last year in game 1 really screwed with Love’s season. He never looked like he did at the end of his rookie year.

Let’s see what he does if he stays health this year. I think we all will be surprised. Probably not MVP ARod numbers but more like the 2nd half of 2023 than what we saw in 2024.

[bobblehead]

Just to pile on, I think that knee injury last year in game 1 really screwed with Love’s season. He never looked like he did at the end of his rookie year.

Let’s see what he does if he stays health this year. I think we all will be surprised. Probably not MVP ARod numbers but more like the 2nd half of 2023 than what we saw in 2024.

Maybe. But that's an excuse. Bottom line, this season will be his make or break and no excuses will be allowed.

[MadtownPacker]

Hopefully not high.

Hmm, that ayahuasca sheeze worked well enough for AaRon on the field.

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe. But that's an excuse. Bottom line, this season will be his make or break and no excuses will be allowed.

Hate to agree but yeah third time has to be the charm in today’s league. We will have drifted too far from 2023 to have any hope.

[RandsRevenge]

Maybe. But that's an excuse. Bottom line, this season will be his make or break and no excuses will be allowed.

It helps to differentiate between an explanation and an excuse. Using 'excuse' means you know he's dogging it, or is a poor player, and needs to cover for it. Alternatively, he's hurt and the level of injury might 'explain' his performance. If I recall, shortly after returning from the MCL, Love suffered a groin pull. Some guys do play well through injury; others not so much. Also, it's really hard to tell from the tube how serious the injuries are exactly. Is he gutting out a bad pull(s), or favoring a light one(s)? Is he Favre or Cutler? Do you really know and if so, how? I'd be interested in your best argument. What I do know, is that when Tom went out of the Divisional game in 2023 with a late injury, the O suffered. When Jenkins got hurt against Philly, and the line had to shift, the same troubles were apparent. Could/should Love overcome that? Perhaps. Or perhaps not. How bad was it? How good was SF/Philly? I only watch games with my Dad now, so I haven't seen a lot in the past several years. Love looks like a middle of the road starter. Decent, with some high end abilities, but inconsistent; can win games and could win it all with support, but he doesn't seem to be a top 5 kinda game changer.

[bobblehead]

It helps to differentiate between an explanation and an excuse. Using 'excuse' means you know he's dogging it, or is a poor player, and needs to cover for it. Alternatively, he's hurt and the level of injury might 'explain' his performance. If I recall, shortly after returning from the MCL, Love suffered a groin pull. Some guys do play well through injury; others not so much. Also, it's really hard to tell from the tube how serious the injuries are exactly. Is he gutting out a bad pull(s), or favoring a light one(s)? Is he Favre or Cutler? Do you really know and if so, how? I'd be interested in your best argument. What I do know, is that when Tom went out of the Divisional game in 2023 with a late injury, the O suffered. When Jenkins got hurt against Philly, and the line had to shift, the same troubles were apparent. Could/should Love overcome that? Perhaps. Or perhaps not. How bad was it? How good was SF/Philly? I only watch games with my Dad now, so I haven't seen a lot in the past several years. Love looks like a middle of the road starter. Decent, with some high end abilities, but inconsistent; can win games and could win it all with support, but he doesn't seem to be a top 5 kinda game changer.

In the NFL (not for long) injuries are an excuse. Fair? Maybe not, but its a reality. Love needs a really good season. All NFL players are hurt most of the season. Injured means incapable of playing. Love was on the field. He was hurt. So were many others. Its just the nature of football. If you can't perform hurt then you aren't a really good NFL player.

[RandsRevenge]

"If you can't perform hurt then you aren't a really good NFL player."

This is really an incredibly vacuous statement. Injured players miss games all the time because they literally can't play. Others walk onto the field diminished. The severity of an injury obviously determines their ability to perform. It's OK to admit it if you have no idea the level to which Love was affected by his injuries. I don't know for sure either. Unless you have some legit inside information you're willing to share, or some really compelling argument based on specific performance analysis, I'm just dismissing this.

[bobblehead]

"If you can't perform hurt then you aren't a really good NFL player."

This is really an incredibly vacuous statement. Injured players miss games all the time because they literally can't play. Others walk onto the field diminished. The severity of an injury obviously determines their ability to perform. It's OK to admit it if you have no idea the level to which Love was affected by his injuries. I don't know for sure either. Unless you have some legit inside information you're willing to share, or some really compelling argument based on specific performance analysis, I'm just dismissing this.

I tried very hard to explain that injured means incapable of playing and hurt describes most players on the field each week. And I didn't claim to know specs on Loves level of hurt. Just that you don't get to use it for very long in the NFL. Not love, not anyone. blah blah availability is the best ability and such.

This season will determine a lot about my feelings on Jordan. He played like 10 snaps and needed surgery so far. Its not boding well.

[RandsRevenge]

blah blah availability is the best ability and such.

true enough

This season will determine a lot about my feelings on Jordan. He played like 10 snaps and needed surgery so far. It's not boding well.

How much is on Love, and how much is in the "caution-level" set by the Packers org? I don't know for certain, but the Packers org seems very risk averse, extremely cautious with player injuries. It seems too extreme to me, but the shocking thing is that it may just be the best approach.

[MadScientist]

true enough

How much is on Love, and how much is in the "caution-level" set by the Packers org? I don't know for certain, but the Packers org seems very risk averse, extremely cautious with player injuries. It seems too extreme to me, but the shocking thing is that it may just be the best approach.

I think it's more that there is damage to that thumb (thumb vs helmet - helmet wins). He could either play in with pain throughout the season or get it corrected now when nothing matters. He can still learn what he needs to learn, and is judgement and accuracy are generally sound. The receivers can drop Willis' passes for a couple of weeks.

The thing about playing with pain is that you can be fine for a lot of a game, and then a sharp pain can happen and cause a really bad play. I think back to Favre when he had the bad thumb. He could still make some great throws, but with the game on the line, he also threw one way short when a receiver was open.

[bobblehead]

I don't mean to knock him for getting hurt necessarily, just pointing out that its sort of irrelevant. I though Derrek Sherrod had real talent, but he landed on the scrap heap of history. It is what it is. If Love can't find a way to avoid being hurt or play better when hurt it won't matter.

[MadScientist]

I don't mean to knock him for getting hurt necessarily, just pointing out that its sort of irrelevant. I though Derrek Sherrod had real talent, but he landed on the scrap heap of history. It is what it is. If Love can't find a way to avoid being hurt or play better when hurt it won't matter.

Injury prone is a bad moniker to have. Marshawn Lloyd looks like he is heading that way. Some hurt you can play through just fine. Some hurt will degrade performance. In the regular season, he probably would have gutted this out, with extra tape and support for his left thumb. But no reason not to get it fixed right this time of year.

[Fritz]

Savion Williams has also been hurt pretty much since the Packers selected him in the draft.

But as to Love, no reason not to get the surgery now. Because this is a big year for him - he's not a kid, he's not inexperienced. It's time for him to show how good he actually is - whether that means he's going to be one of the great ones, or one of the ones who can win with a really good supporting cast. I think we'll know much more about the trajectory of his career after this season.