I think Runyan will keep the LG position until Bakhtiari is back. Patrick and Newman will battle at RG. Newman has more talent, but he's had his struggles.
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One thing I have noticed which is disappointing me is that savage and Amos are playing just average. Almost like cover 2 safeties that try to limit big plays but give up everything underneath and don't really impact the run game. The star position is so blah so far.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
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that might be our new system actuallyOriginally posted by Upnorth View PostOne thing I have noticed which is disappointing me is that savage and Amos are playing just average. Almost like cover 2 safeties that try to limit big plays but give up everything underneath and don't really impact the run game. The star position is so blah so far.
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So our new d is actually a 2 decade old d? And we are still struggling with handing off responsibilities???Originally posted by red View Postthat might be our new system actually
Berry can teach so well....All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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It's a 3-4 cover 2. It relies less on 6 DB's than Pettine did. That's why they went out and got Campbell. Last night Campbell played every snap. I think Barry is still trying to figure out how to utilize the "star" position. Chandon Sullivan didn't play much. Both King and Alexander played star some. I think they would like to work Savage in there, but the injury to Vernon Scott is limiting that some. It's a work in progress.Originally posted by Upnorth View PostSo our new d is actually a 2 decade old d? And we are still struggling with handing off responsibilities???
Berry can teach so well....I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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In week 1 we saw Sullivan play 56% of snaps, King 90%, and Stokes 13%. In week 2 Sullivan played 32%, King 98% and Stokes 77%. So as Stokes played more, Sullivan sat, and King, or in some instances, Alexander moved inside.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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Nope. Aaron is perfect, just ask tex. Those were all on MVS and the Oline that did nothing while Jones single handedly did everything (except what rodgers did)Originally posted by Joemailman View PostRodgers talked about missing MVS several times. Said MVS should have had 3 TD's.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi
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Originally posted by bobblehead View PostNope. Aaron is perfect, just ask tex. Those were all on MVS and the Oline that did nothing while Jones single handedly did everything (except what rodgers did)Actually neither Jenkins or Turner had a good game in pass pro. But Rodgers had a clean pocket because Runyan and Myers were outstanding. Packers are going to have a kick ass offensive line when Bakhtiari comes back.– Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers completed 19 of 20 passes and threw all four touchdowns from a clean pocket. His average time to throw from a clean pocket? 2.31 seconds. The Lions only blitzed him six times.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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His parents were there for the game - 2 sons in it. It was a nice touch with a big lead to get him a catch.Originally posted by Guiness View PostAny thoughts on why St-Brown was elevated for the game? Amari Rodgers didn't play an offensive snap but was dressed and handled punt returns, so they had 7 WRs!What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
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I ain’t sure what game you saw from what universe, but in this godforshaken universe where I’m being forced to flip burgers on a fucked up back, I saw Runyan allow a sack when his competitor dashed outside the tackle box and got to 12 with Runyan looking like the great Thompson free agent acquisition Adrian Klemm.Originally posted by Joemailman View PostActually neither Jenkins or Turner had a good game in pass pro. But Rodgers had a clean pocket because Runyan and Myers were outstanding. Packers are going to have a kick ass offensive line when Bakhtiari comes back.
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You have to be a damn fool to believe Rodgers had a "clean pocket". Same as has been the case for many years, he was rushed and forced to scramble virtually every play. He does that so easily on an outside rush, some people probably consider it "clean". Clean was what Goff had most of the game against our D, literally every time we didn't send multiple blitzers. When the pass rush came through the Guard spot, it was harder to escape from - the two sacks and a couple of other near sacks.
As for Rodgers being perfect, no. He made two bad plays. One was the short slant to Valdez-Scantling on the goal line which clearly was open and should have been a TD. The other was the pass to Adams into triple coverage where Davante had to make a play like a DB to prevent an interception. That was very unRodgers-like. I thought first the TD pass to Tonyan was similar, but the replay showed that Rodgers led him by throwing where the coverage couldn't get it. Rodgers blamed himself for missing on the two bombs to MVS. It sure looked like he mis-estimated the receiver's speed. Maybe he was just being careful to avoid a pick. I don't see any way Valdez-Scantling was to blame.
As I said, it really was pretty much ALL Aaron and Aaron, with a little bit of Davante and Tonyan thrown in. The O Line was shoddy on pass blocking, and they opened very few holes for the run game - mostly Jones had to bounce off and go somewhere else to find an opening. Dillon didn't or couldn't do that, and the result was next to nothing gained except for on 8 yard gain where he actually did have a hole. Jones probably woulda taken that one to the house.
And as I also said, the D really couldn't stop anybody all night. If Detroit hadn't been so far behind and "abandoned the run game", they probably could have controlled the clock and moved it right down the field with runs and short passes in the second have like they did in the first half.
As for the Barry vs. Pettine thing, this Lion game was similar to most of the 13 wins each of the past two seasons - Rodgers and the offense getting a lead, and the other team's options limited. with our D still giving up yards and points. Pettine was negligent that way, and so is Barry. It wasn't bad enough to lose most of the time, though - the Pettine years and now with Barry. Whether it's good enough to beat the good teams, though, that is the question. If Stokes gets to be as much of a shutdown Corner as Alexander, maybe we can blitz enough to win, but Barry didn't seem willing to do that until late in the game. A way still needs to be found to stop the run and short passes. All over the league, you can see defenses doing more with less quality personnel.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
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Yeah, that pisses me off. Even when they finally woke up and got rid of King on the outside, they still didn't get him off the field and on the bench where he belongs. Sullivan ain't much, but he didn't suck as much as King in the slot. Other teams play fairly decent pass defense with scrubs - including the Lions. Why can't we scheme a way to do that with a stud Corner, a hot shot rookie, and two supposedly high quality Safetys? And why can't our ILBs do better than making a ton of tackles after the reception and 8 yards down field on runs?Originally posted by Joemailman View PostIn week 1 we saw Sullivan play 56% of snaps, King 90%, and Stokes 13%. In week 2 Sullivan played 32%, King 98% and Stokes 77%. So as Stokes played more, Sullivan sat, and King, or in some instances, Alexander moved inside.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
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King gave up 2 passes. He is an average CB. As a number 3 I would argue he is slightly above average.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View PostYeah, that pisses me off. Even when they finally woke up and got rid of King on the outside, they still didn't get him off the field and on the bench where he belongs. Sullivan ain't much, but he didn't suck as much as King in the slot. Other teams play fairly decent pass defense with scrubs - including the Lions. Why can't we scheme a way to do that with a stud Corner, a hot shot rookie, and two supposedly high quality Safetys? And why can't our ILBs do better than making a ton of tackles after the reception and 8 yards down field on runs?
Our d pitched a 2nd half shut out against a team that has averaged just under 17 points a half previously, with their previous game being against the highly touted 49ers d. You know the one most fans and analysts assume will destroy us. And sure some of those points were in garbage time but then how dod our horrible d stop them in garbage time. Our d is not great but it might be good. We will see.
On an aside stokes is the highest rated rookie corner! 3 pass break ups in 2 games! Awesome.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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