More Banjo - Packers vs. Lions

[Fritz]

O-line should get better. That's a very young line they have out here right now.

Defense will get better as Stokes plays more and King plays less. Need more out of the D-line though.

I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. All the grumbling about the O-line, but they were a helluva lot better than that D-line. On a few plays, Goff had time to scan the entire field, then do so again, until he found someone.

This is very much looking like 2011 so far. Is Barry scared to call blitzes? That was a piss-poor performance, and apparently The Flower had to nudge Barry and say "Uh, dude, you might want to try something different in the second half."

I hope they'll start to work Heflin and Slaton into the mix more. It's clear that Lowry offers nothing. And I'm about to start saying "I told you so" again about Rashan Gary. Z Smith out, Gary's chance to show his stuff, and last week he gets sucked inside all game, and last night - did he play? I don't know. He didn't do shit.

But you can have five Jaire Alexanders back there, and if you can't get close to the QB at all, at some point someone will get open.

I know it's early, but I was watching that defense during TV timeouts, and man, there is zero energy there. Zero.

[Joemailman]

I'll be surprised if Heflin isn't given a chance soon. If Lancaster isn't stuffing the run, there's no reason to have him out there. Keke has been a big disappointment so far. He put on weight to hold up better against the run, but I wonder if it's just made him slower.

[George Cumby]

I know it's early, but I was watching that defense during TV timeouts, and man, there is zero energy there. Zero.

But I thought Berry was supposed to bring ENERGY to the defense?

[Fritz]

Maybe we all misunderstood. Maybe he's a black hole and he sucks all the energy out of the defense.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Gary has been solid. 4 pressures and 2 QB hits in just 16 pass rush attempts in week 1 and then a solid 19.2% pass rush win rate in week 2. He hasn't been special, but he's far from the problem on the defense.

I think the issues are primarily the DL as a whole, any OLB outside of P. Smith and Gary, and Kevin King.

[texaspackerbacker]

King gave up 2 passes. He is an average CB. As a number 3 I would argue he is slightly above average.

Our d pitched a 2nd half shut out against a team that has averaged just under 17 points a half previously, with their previous game being against the highly touted 49ers d. You know the one most fans and analysts assume will destroy us. And sure some of those points were in garbage time but then how dod our horrible d stop them in garbage time. Our d is not great but it might be good. We will see.

On an aside stokes is the highest rated rookie corner! 3 pass break ups in 2 games! Awesome.

Are you kidding? King gave up two passes in the first 30 seconds of the game. Even after they thankfully yanked him from playing outside, they stupidly left him on the field where he gave up several more playing the slot Corner. He is absolute garbage.

Our D "pitched a shut out" in the second half? Yeah, after the offense got that lead and the Lions stopped running the ball. Even then they moved right down the field with short passes. Throwing that pass into the endzone that Stokes broke up instead of continuing to move the ball was the only thing keeping them from scoring again and at least beating the point spread.

Yes, after a couple of early mess ups, Stokes was awesome. Hopefully they have the good sense to keep him there as a starter and not bring back damn King.

[Fritz]

Wow. I agree with a Tex post.

[call_me_ishmael]

Gary has been solid. 4 pressures and 2 QB hits in just 16 pass rush attempts in week 1 and then a solid 19.2% pass rush win rate in week 2. He hasn't been special, but he's far from the problem on the defense.

I think the issues are primarily the DL as a whole, any OLB outside of P. Smith and Gary, and Kevin King.

Man I don't know about that. Where are the sacks? To me he looked like ass against bums this week. I know he's super athletic and all that and I want to be encouraged but the results just are not there with him. It's like Michigan all over. Most talented player on the field of course but he isn't playing like it.

[Fritz]

Man I don't know about that. Where are the sacks? To me he looked like ass against bums this week. I know he's super athletic and all that and I want to be encouraged but the results just are not there with him. It's like Michigan all over. Most talented player on the field of course but he isn't playing like it.

There you go. Exactly. Everyone keeps talking about how great he is, but where's the production? I know it's early, but I'm tired of the "he's close" stuff. When is he going to start getting actual sacks?

[George Cumby]

There you go. Exactly. Everyone keeps talking about how great he is, but where's the production? I know it's early, but I'm tired of the "he's close" stuff. When is he going to start getting actual sacks?

Finally jumped off the Gary Bandwagon, I see. You know it's bad when a die-hard supporter like you turns on a player.

[smuggler]

Does he get credit for the Campbell interception, at all? I'm a little frustrated by Gary, but he's not getting beaucoup bucks right now, and he's hardly the weakest link on D.

[call_me_ishmael]

He's not the weakest link but he isn't an asset at this point. Hard to argue in his two games so far - especially the Lions - that the D needed someone to make plays and that is what a guy like Gary is supposed to do and he has totally not lived up to it yet.

[King Friday]

Gary is getting a lot of attention from the offense, because NO ONE else in the front seven is providing any push. Keke and Lancaster are doing about as much as I would out there. Preston has flashed on occasion, but not enough. The issue I'm seeing with Gary is that he isn't finishing. He had a couple nice pressures against Detroit where he prob should have gotten a sack, but he missed Goff for whatever reason.

[smuggler]

Well put, Friday. I feel mostly the same way.