12 out Vs Chefs with COVID

[HarveyWallbangers]

My mindset is pretty similar to RG on this. It's hard to even trust science anymore--when it's become so politicized and dissenting opinions are silenced. I'm pretty sure COVID deaths are overestimated (people with flu-like symptoms marked as COVID deaths even if they didn't test positive, people who had COVID within 28 days of death marked as COVID deaths, etc.) and hospitals were incentivized to mark deaths as COVID deaths (follow the money).

I took a look at the state I live in and those around me. When you look at what the states show for COVID deaths compared to the CDC/WHO stats you see on a place like Real Clear Politics, deaths are 30%-40% higher on RCP than the state sites. The states clearly took a deeper dive into the deaths in their own state, and clearly mark things like deaths from COVID, deaths with COVID, etc.

If the total deaths are closer to 500,000 than 750,000 over an almost two year period, than COVID doesn't look as scary--especially since the flu has killed more than 100,000 in a year several times in the US. The Hong Kong Flu in 1968 killed 100,000 Americans when the US only had a population of 200 million people.

I have no doubt COVID is deadlier--especially for those that are older and compromised (obese, diabetic, etc.). I feel for those impacted--just like I feel for those that are impacted for other reasons. However, it isn't Ebola and I tend to think it's been exaggerated, and I think there was an agenda behind that.

[bobblehead]

Refusing vaccination is anti-social behavior.

Smoking, driving drunk, driving while texting, not getting a flu vaccine, unprotected sex, aborting a 5 month old baby. The list of behaviors that put others at risk is extremely long, but we still allow the vast majority of them. A corona virus that has a .2% kill rate? Not so sure it warrants a mandate of a vaccine that has had more adverse reactions that all vaccines from the last 20 years combined.

[bobblehead]

That's simply untrue. No vaccine prevents infection or spread. They damp it down to some degree. A much less effective vaccine than the covid vacc could completely eliminate a virus.
The virus needs to move to a lot of hosts to survive, you just have to break some, not all, of the chains. Plus some other measures to contain a respiratory disease.

JH is correct, you operate with faulty information. Covid 19 can infect pets and survive in animals without making them sick which is just one reason we won't "tamp it down" or even have a prayer of eliminating it. If you really believe we may eliminate this virus you should be hella pissed at the current occupent of the WH who said he had a plan to "knock the virus out". If his plan was to hope that Trumps operation warp speed would "knock it out" thats a hell of a plan to campaing AGAINST Trump with.

I beg you again, come over to FYI where all this stuff belongs and many of us have hashed most of this out. Some of us have provided pretty graphs and data from the CDC itself. If you participated in this debate for the last 18 months (in the arena we all promised to debate in) you wouldn't be so ill informed.

[bobblehead]

It’s important to note childhood vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, rubella and smallpox aren’t leaky; they are considered “perfect” vaccines. As such, they are in no way in danger of falling prey to this phenomenon.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...irus-dangerous

JH...he hasn't been in FYI. He has no clue what a leaky vaccine is because CNN doesn't report on such things.

[QBME]

It don't make no difference to me
You believe what you want to believe

Tom Petty

[bobblehead]

Personally I think church should be mandated since saving your eternal soul is much more important than saving your mortal body. Plus data shows that church goers commit far less violent crime.

[Harlan Huckleby]

JH...he hasn't been in FYI. He has no clue what a leaky vaccine is because CNN doesn't report on such things.

What I don't know is a lot. But it doesn't take long to figure out that the "leaky vaccine" concept as understood by the anti-vacc side is wildly different and hyped compared to the discussion in mainstream science.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm pretty sure COVID deaths are overestimated (people with flu-like symptoms marked as COVID deaths

Forget the reporting and various speculations. Total deaths are reliably recorded and epidemiologists look at excess deaths to measure impact of epidemics.

I imagine a million deaths will be final figure. The reporting is underestimating.

There is no world wide conspiracy. Covid is real and a BFD. It is bad for everyone, not a political winner for anyone.

But it is true that this pandemic is mild in terms of death. The next one could be far worse.

[RashanGary]

Forget the reporting and various speculations. Total deaths are reliably recorded and epidemiologists look at excess deaths to measure impact of epidemics.

I imagine a million deaths will be final figure. The reporting is underestimating.

There is no world wide conspiracy. Covid is real and a BFD. It is bad for everyone, not a political winner for anyone.

But it is true that this pandemic is mild in terms of death. The next one could be far worse.

How many excess deaths came from the policies though. Locking elderly away from their families in care homes probably knocked off a few. Delaying medical treatments knocked off a few. People not going for medical treatments knocked off a few.

Like bobble said, in FYI, when the 2020 death statistics came out, we looked at excess deaths and they were broken down into segments like heart disease, diabetes, Covid, etc. there were all sorts of excess deaths that had nothing to do with Covid.

And then even the ones that were marked Covid, it’s been said, they’re muddy. It’s hard to trust the count.

[George Cumby]

Kill this fucking thread please.

[call_me_ishmael]

Please kill it or give me back the ban hammer so I can block these yahoos from ruining the forum. Take it to FYI jack asses.

[scharpcheddar]

Personally I think church should be mandated since saving your eternal soul is much more important than saving your mortal body. Plus data shows that church goers commit far less violent crime.

They also get killed easier by oppressive forces.
It's why religion was invented. To pussifie the weak.
Make them easy targets.

[esoxx]

They also get killed easier by oppressive forces.
It's why religion was invented. To pussifie the weak.
Make them easy targets.

Why would the weak need to be pussified? If they're weak, they're already pussies

[smuggler]

It’s hard to trust the count.

The way political elites count, it would be negligent to trust any meaningful count. Far better position is to doubt every count.

[Harlan Huckleby]

they were broken down into segments like heart disease, diabetes, Covid, etc. there were all sorts of excess deaths that had nothing to do with Covid.

Epidemiologists correct for many factors when they measure the impact of a pandemic. For instance they correct for other diseases that may be in a high or low cycle. It's a science.