Official Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[texaspackerbacker]

It's not that dire if Rodgers is gone. We'll extend some guys (Preston Smith, Amos, Jaire), and lower their cap value in 2022. In 2023 the cap is supposed to go way up.

You're right, the cap is gonna go way up, and with extensions and stretched out signings, the cap absolutely is not gonna be a problem. Where you are dead wrong, though, is saying it wouldn't be dire without Rodgers. We could get everybody else back, even Davante, and the team would still be in the toilet without Rodgers. After listening to LaFleur's video conference and A.J. Hawk on the Macafee show, I'm fairly optimistic that the dire future without Rodgers ain't gonna happen next year or a good deal longer.

I cussed out a lot of people and unfollowed several in Facebook today over idiotic comments about losing Rodgers, the cap, etc.

There's a LOT of haters and fools out there and in here with regard to the Rodgers situation.

[run pMc]

the cap absolutely is not gonna be a problem

This is objectively false. Per jklowan's link above(https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/statu...65749692129286), KenIngalls knows his stuff and posts on the cap all the time. This will be a very different team in a few weeks.
They have already re-done a lot of their contracts and there's not a lot more money they can push out into the future. Rodgers contract is the linchpin for everything going forward.

I do agree the team will struggle mightily without Rodgers (or another competent starter-worthy QB).

[texaspackerbacker]

"This will be a very different team in a few weeks." ...... The more things change, the more they stay the same. Some of ya'all doom and gloomers seem to be just begging to see the Packers go down the drain. That might be understandable for media assholes with no loyalty to the Packers. It's a damn shame, though, when supposedly Packer-loving people think and post that way.

We'll see just how much of this stupid negativity actually happens.

[King Friday]

"This will be a very different team in a few weeks." ...... The more things change, the more they stay the same. Some of ya'all doom and gloomers seem to be just begging to see the Packers go down the drain. That might be understandable for media assholes with no loyalty to the Packers. It's a damn shame, though, when supposedly Packer-loving people think and post that way.

We'll see just how much of this stupid negativity actually happens.

Tex is already starting to backtrack.

First, it was his viewpoint that the cap wasn't even going to be a problem.

After a slight recalibration, he has moved to a let's wait-and-see approach.

It's not about people's negativity Tex. It's about simple math. We can't possibly keep everyone. The more elite players we resign, we will have to give up a couple others. The salary cap is designed to redistribute talent, and it is effective in doing so unless you are the Jets.

[King Friday]

sad

he's the leader of this team

Maybe, but he also played about 15 snaps this season. I think we can get along without him.

[George Cumby]

I cussed out a lot of people and unfollowed several in Facebook today over idiotic comments about losing Rodgers, the cap, etc.

Here I was being a Negative Nancy and thinking you were utterly irredeemable and then you go make some stranger's lives BETTER by unfollowing them on Fakebook. There IS good in you after all!

[texaspackerbacker]

Here I was being a Negative Nancy and thinking you were utterly irredeemable and then you go make some stranger's lives BETTER by unfollowing them on Fakebook. There IS good in you after all!

Actually it was organizations, not people - several of these Packer commentary groups that sprouted up in there. And how would unfollowing make anybody's life better or worse? Correct me if I'm wrong, but somebody doesn't even know who or how many are or are not following them.

[George Cumby]

Nm.

[hoosier]

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Actually it was organizations, not people - several of these Packer commentary groups that sprouted up in there. And how would unfollowing make anybody's life better or worse? Correct me if I'm wrong, but somebody doesn't even know who or how many are or are not following them.

Well, except that they sometimes see fewer stupid replies to their posts. Depending on who it is that unfollowed them.

I'm just saying, in general...

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex is already starting to backtrack.

First, it was his viewpoint that the cap wasn't even going to be a problem.

After a slight recalibration, he has moved to a let's wait-and-see approach.

It's not about people's negativity Tex. It's about simple math. We can't possibly keep everyone. The more elite players we resign, we will have to give up a couple others. The salary cap is designed to redistribute talent, and it is effective in doing so unless you are the Jets.

How exactly do you see me as backtracking? I'm just as damn sure certain as ever about the cap. I just said let's wait and see to those of ya'all who disagree and appear to be just as certain in your negative position. I may repeat things a few times, but there's a limit. I'm not gonna correct every wrongheaded post that comes along.

As for the math, it's amazing that there are a lot of people in here and even in the media who just don't seem to have a clue of how the salary cap works and how stupid it is to claim our cap situation and ability to retain just about everybody is somehow hopeless. You don't hear LaFleur saying dumb shit like that, fortunately.

[call_me_ishmael]

Good short segment from Ian Rapoport giving his (presumably insider) perspective.

https://twitter.com/HoggNFL/status/1486036717815615490

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As for the math, it's amazing that there are a lot of people in here and even in the media who just don't seem to have a clue of how the salary cap works and how stupid it is to claim our cap situation and ability to retain just about everybody is somehow hopeless. You don't hear LaFleur saying dumb shit like that, fortunately.

Probably because it's not his area, and the professional thing to do is not publically speculate on how the GM is managing (or may manage) the cap. Or even make offhand remarks to the press that may lead to them asking him direct questions about the cap, which might be awkward for him to brush away.

The cap technically has nothing to do with his job - his job is to have input on personnel, and then to make the best team he can out of the players management chooses to or is able to provide him. Not to talk to the press about which players the team can afford.

I guarantee you that he's very much aware of the cap and what it will mean to his area of responsibility, and of course Gutekunst discusses it with him privately even if for no other reason that to keep him informed of what is going on, but those are private conversations, and he's not going to discuss them outside of Gutekunst's office.

[King Friday]

I don't think anyone suggested it's hopeless. Most are just suggesting that Green Bay is going to lose some people, and probably at least 2 or 3 that were serious contributors in 2022. It can either be Rodgers and Adams, or it will be Preston Smith, MVS, Campbell, Cobb, Douglas, etc.

[texaspackerbacker]

Probably because it's not his area, and the professional thing to do is not publically speculate on how the GM is managing (or may manage) the cap. Or even make offhand remarks to the press that may lead to them asking him direct questions about the cap, which might be awkward for him to brush away.

The cap technically has nothing to do with his job - his job is to have input on personnel, and then to make the best team he can out of the players management chooses to or is able to provide him. Not to talk to the press about which players the team can afford.

I guarantee you that he's very much aware of the cap and what it will mean to his area of responsibility, and of course Gutekunst discusses it with him privately even if for no other reason that to keep him informed of what is going on, but those are private conversations, and he's not going to discuss them outside of Gutekunst's office.

Arguably, EVERYTHING about the Packers is LaFleur's "area". Even ya'all haters and negativists wouldn't claim that LaFleur doesn't have a complete awareness of the cap - how it works and the Packers situation in it. And he is not displaying one iota of negativity or spewing any of the crap that ya'all in here and the media spew.

Friday, of your two choices, the latter indeed would mean going down the drain for the foreseeable future, and the former - keeping Rodgers and Adams and losing the rest of those - would be a distinct step downward and a de facto rebuild like Rodgers said he doesn't want to be part of, and LaFleur says isn't gonna happen. That, and you seem to be again doubling down on this nonsense about the cap and inability to retain all of them.