Official Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[Upnorth]

Really? You guys think when the Packers no longer have Rodgers they're going to turn into the Jets? If the Packers lose Rodgers but retain Adams, they remain the favorite in the NFCN. Just not the overwhelming favorite they would be with Rodgers.

Favorites? Year 1 we struggle to make .500 and if its Next Year my money would be on vikes to win.
Then we play 9-8 to 10-7 ish and fight with detroit, assuming love is a top 1/3 rd qb. We have a decent d, but still need to put up points.
If love is top 1/3rd qb we remain competitive and will see flashes of brilliance over the next decade, but might be like the Giants (at best) or dolphins (at worst) from the last 15 years.

[Teamcheez1]

I wonder if there is an option to keep Rodgers, but tag and trade Adams? It could set Rodgers off on a tirade, but it would net us some high draft picks and cap relief. It’s probably not realistic, but just a thought.

[Bretsky]

I wonder if there is an option to keep Rodgers, but tag and trade Adams? It could set Rodgers off on a tirade, but it would net us some high draft picks and cap relief. It’s probably not realistic, but just a thought.

Don't think they'd do that unless they want an explosion between AROD and Gutebag. IF you are trying to win the big show next year I don't know if you do that.

Rodgers would drop back to pass and be completely confused w/o his only WR ))

[Sparkey]

Don't think they'd do that unless they want an explosion between AROD and Gutebag. IF you are trying to win the big show next year I don't know if you do that.

Rodgers would drop back to pass and be completely confused w/o his only WR ))

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-rodgers-stats-without-davante-adams

Aaron Rodgers has a passer rating of 112.7 with 2,795 yards, 24 touchdowns and 3 interceptions in 11 games without Davante Adams in his career.

[Joemailman]

Don't think they'd do that unless they want an explosion between AROD and Gutebag. IF you are trying to win the big show next year I don't know if you do that.

Rodgers would drop back to pass and be completely confused w/o his only WR ))

Yep. Over the last 3 years he has looked so confused in those 7 games he hasn't had Adams. Those 7 games where the Packers went 7-0. Those 7 games where he's had a passer rating of 119.74. Those 7 games where he's had 19 TD passes and 1 INT. Those 7 games where the Packers have averaged 31.7 points.

Because Adams is so great, it's hard to come to the conclusion that the Packers would be better off without him. But it is not hard to come to the conclusion that Rodgers does a great job of adjusting when he doesn't have Adams. And it's not hard to imagine that he relishes the challenge.

[run pMc]

I think Rodgers and Adams are a package deal. One doesn't play for GB without the other next year.

I think MLF gets to run the offense he wants with Jordan Love as starting QB vs. the one he has to with Rodgers. I also think they already know what they have in Jordan Love and will likely move on from him by the end of his contract. If he's 4-13 awful they will be in a Top 5 spot to draft a QB. Personally I think he's 6-win material, not 4, but 6 wins pushes you down the draft board enough where you are in purgatory and have to trade up and/or get lucky.

The NFCN is a mess next year; without Rodgers the Vikings or Lions might actually win the division with a 9 win season. GB's defense wasn't bad this year but the offense carried the team and they won't be able to do that without Rodgers and Adams.

[Freak Out]

I think Rodgers and Adams are a package deal. One doesn't play for GB without the other next year.

I think MLF gets to run the offense he wants with Jordan Love as starting QB vs. the one he has to with Rodgers. I also think they already know what they have in Jordan Love and will likely move on from him by the end of his contract. If he's 4-13 awful they will be in a Top 5 spot to draft a QB. Personally I think he's 6-win material, not 4, but 6 wins pushes you down the draft board enough where you are in purgatory and have to trade up and/or get lucky.

The NFCN is a mess next year; without Rodgers the Vikings or Lions might actually win the division with a 9 win season. GB's defense wasn't bad this year but the offense carried the team and they won't be able to do that without Rodgers and Adams.

Maybe. If the defense is solid and Jones and AJ stay healthy they could play decent ball.

[call_me_ishmael]

The Packers went from 13 wins in 2007 to 6 in 2008 because their defense went from 6th in points given up to 22nd. It didn't have anything to do with the QB situation. The Saints this year went 9-8 with mediocre (at best) QB play because they had a good defense. If the Packers retain Adams and their defense remains strong the Packers will be fine without Rodgers. Just not 13-4 fine.

I think they'd struggle in year one, and probably be better hence forth. I am assuming the toss-up games they win now they would lose. Who knows if valid assumption or not. I assume they take 3rd in the division next year with Love because he'd probably be the 3rd best QB at best in the division.

[Thirteen Below]

I think Rodgers and Adams are a package deal. One doesn't play for GB without the other next year.

I think MLF gets to run the offense he wants with Jordan Love as starting QB vs. the one he has to with Rodgers. I also think they already know what they have in Jordan Love and will likely move on from him by the end of his contract. If he's 4-13 awful they will be in a Top 5 spot to draft a QB. Personally I think he's 6-win material, not 4, but 6 wins pushes you down the draft board enough where you are in purgatory and have to trade up and/or get lucky.

I was looking at the draft positions of some of the good young QBs earlier today, and I was surprised at how many of them were not top-5 picks. Justin Herbert was #6, Lamar Jackson #32, Jalen Hurts was #53 in the 2nd round, Josh Allen was #7, Mac Jones was #15, Justin Fields looks like the real deal if they bring him along right, and he was #11, and even Pat Mahomes was #10. I think teams are getting so good at scouting these days that it's a lot harder to find a really good one still available once you get out of the 1st round, but it's still doable even if you're not Top 5. I think it depends a lot on the year - there are some years where several teams drafting high don't need a QB as badly, and a guy can slip, but more often than not if you're a 4- or 5-win team you're not getting elite quarterback play.

But that's part of the "luck" that you were referring to, and yeah, that is a good point. Safest bet is still to be drafting Top 3-5. And I think you've got a very good point, that in the NFC North Love is probably just good enough to push us out of the elite-QB range, but not good enough to be the answer. I don't think I've seen a single thing from him yet that actually impressed me. There are times when he really doesn't look all that bad, but if that's the best thing you can say about your quarterback prospect, you're probably going to be looking to draft another one as soon as possible.

[Sparkey]

What makes it hard to evaluate Love is that even the game he started, the game plan was made for Rodgers. I believe it was Wednesday when they found that Rodgers would miss the game. At that point the game plan was already being implemented.

So until Love has a few games where everything is prepared based on what he likes and is capable of doing, there really isn't much to go on. I still think he can be a good qb, but he needs a chance to play, fail and learn. If they don't do that they will never know what they have.

[Bretsky]

I think with the Love Machine you will see a lot more QB movement

RANDOM THOUGHT; I really have a distaste for players when they make comments that they want to be the highest paid person at their position (I know I'm being nitpicky)

I do think AROD and Adams come as a package. And they BOTH need each other.

AROD needs Adams to have a shot to win it all, and Adams needs Rodgers for a while to get his HOF numbers in line.

Stick your financial ego's up your ass and let's make this work.


SAVE SOME MONEY AND HIRE RIZZO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joemailman]

I think with the Love Machine you will see a lot more QB movement

RANDOM THOUGHT; I really have a distaste for players when they make comments that they want to be the highest paid person at their position (I know I'm being nitpicky)

I do think AROD and Adams come as a package. And they BOTH need each other.

AROD needs Adams to have a shot to win it all, and Adams needs Rodgers for a while to get his HOF numbers in line.

Stick your financial ego's up your ass and let's make this work.


SAVE SOME MONEY AND HIRE RIZZO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree that Rodgers and Adams need each other. Rodgers has proved he can run the offense very effectively without Adams. Adams is good enough that he makes any QB better. I think he would be elite with any reasonably good QB.

I believe Rizzi is still under contract with the Saints.

[call_me_ishmael]

Man I gotta say, Adams is obviously great, and he's not the #2 I used to claim he is, he is a bonafide #1, but I really don't think he is the best receiver in the league or even close. He is an elite route runner - maybe the best - but I just don't think he is an elite or HOF type player. He catches a lot of balls but I don't think he dictates a teams game all the time. When Baltimore doubled him to shut him down, they did just that and were effective at it. He isn't a "game wrecker" like say Aaron Donald or Randy Moss or something.

I guess I just don't see it. Very good receiver, maybe top 5, but probably not top 3.

[Bretsky]

Man I gotta say, Adams is obviously great, and he's not the #2 I used to claim he is, he is a bonafide #1, but I really don't think he is the best receiver in the league or even close. He is an elite route runner - maybe the best - but I just don't think he is an elite or HOF type player. He catches a lot of balls but I don't think he dictates a teams game all the time. When Baltimore doubled him to shut him down, they did just that and were effective at it. He isn't a "game wrecker" like say Aaron Donald or Randy Moss or something.

I guess I just don't see it. Very good receiver, maybe top 5, but probably not top 3.

WELL WHO IS BETTER; here is a list of maybe some of the tops


Cooper Kopp
Tryrek Hill
DeAndre Hopkins
Justin Jefferson
Jamar Chase
Deebo Samueal (maybe/maybe not but I think he belongs mention as all around player)
AJ Brown
Stephan Diggs

Production wise only Kopp had a better year I think

[RashanGary]

Davante is top 5, maybe #1. It’s splitting hairs with those best guys. They’re all good. If Davante stays with Rodgers and has some longevity, he could make a case for HOF.

But receivers have a hard time getting in. I still think it’s less likely. I’d still like to see him pass Driver and Hutson for yards and touchdowns as a Packer.

Julio Jones is a HOFer. He did it for a lot of years.