Official Packers Offseason/Free Agency Thread

[Bretsky]

You nailed it on the tradeoff, CMI.

Myself, I'll take consistently good over your "great and suck" thing.

I wanna be more than a Fart in the Wind

[texaspackerbacker]

That could be taken as support for either choice, Bretsky. Who won the damn last Super Bowl or lost it for that matter? How about the year before that or the year before that? Farts in the wind, I'd say. Who has been damn good for 25 or 30 years? It doesn't get much beyond the Packers.

What I really came on to say, though, is that there is a guy named Basaraski who makes YouTube videos that ya'all negativists really ought to check out. He says $15 million in cap space now - half of that needed for rookies, but that's before extending/restructuring Alexander and several others to further increase the cap space.

[Bretsky]

That could be taken as support for either choice, Bretsky. Who won the damn last Super Bowl or lost it for that matter? How about the year before that or the year before that? Farts in the wind, I'd say. Who has been damn good for 25 or 30 years? It doesn't get much beyond the Packers.

What I really came on to say, though, is that there is a guy named Basaraski who makes YouTube videos that ya'all negativists really ought to check out. He says $15 million in cap space now - half of that needed for rookies, but that's before extending/restructuring Alexander and several others to further increase the cap space.

Tex Tex Tex; you fail to understand the Fart in the Wind Concept Ron Wolf was quoted out as using many many many years ago when asked about his tenure in Green Bay and the fact that they were one and done despite having all kinds of opportunities with Brett Favre to win multiple Super Bowls. Currently that's the state of Rodgers.

And are you really pimping a YouTube guy Hell I could start making those vids if I wanted to tomorrow; I'd take the media guys every day of the week over a youtuber I've never heard of.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Tex Tex Tex; you fail to understand the Fart in the Wind Concept Ron Wolf was quoted out as using many many many years ago when asked about his tenure in Green Bay and the fact that they were one and done despite having all kinds of opportunities with Brett Favre to win multiple Super Bowls. Currently that's the state of Rodgers.

And are you really pimping a YouTube guy Hell I could start making those vids if I wanted to tomorrow; I'd take the media guys every day of the week over a youtuber I've never heard of.

Basaraski is pretty good. I'd take him and some other youtubers over most of the mainstream media folks. Some of the youtubers only post click bait, but a lot of them are good. You have to be able to identify which ones are good or not.

They'll need closer to $10m going into the season though. A Jaire extension would probably free up around $7m, so we have about $12m to play with. Wouldn't have been enough to sign Adams and everybody else (despite Tex's comments), but we knew the salary cap situation wasn't as dire as national media guys made it out to be. There are 2-3 spots they will shore up with cheaper veterans ahead of the draft--because Gutey doesn't like going into the draft with obvious needs. I don't know how they would be able to go into the draft without an obvious need at WR though.

[bobblehead]

So that's why everyone thinks he is a poor owner. He just doesn't know about cooking the books!

Unless its a Saving and Loan!! BOOM!

Thats a Jerruh joke, not a political joke just in case anyone is offended.

[bobblehead]

So the various dumbasses are still whining and ranting about this hahahahaha. I'm fine with it being just me and APB (and Gutekunst and LaFleur) who see things the way they are. Any media pukes or posters spewing bogus shit either are just stirring up trouble or ignorant.

LaFleur said that as a very short term thing. He also said the cap wasn't gonna keep the team from keeping anybody they needed. The Packers had numerous things they could have done/still can do to decrease the number against the cap (Alexander, Amos to name a couple). These likely will be done as needed when the Packers sign free agents at WR, etc. I just heard Gutekunst say they won't be restricted about who they sign before the season.

Regarding Jerry Jones, he probably is one of the "poorest" or least liquid owners. His net worth is listed at $8.6 billion, but nearly $7 billion of that is the Cowboys team. Even so, they haven't exactly been having a fire sale.

So whine on, ignoramuses. The off-season is far from over. I'm expecting the Packers to pick up one or more quality WR FAs as well as any other bargain that might come along.

So, who are we going to restructure to sign the draft picks?

[texaspackerbacker]

Basaraski is pretty good. I'd take him and some other youtubers over most of the mainstream media folks. Some of the youtubers only post click bait, but a lot of them are good. You have to be able to identify which ones are good or not.

They'll need closer to $10m going into the season though. A Jaire extension would probably free up around $7m, so we have about $12m to play with. Wouldn't have been enough to sign Adams and everybody else (despite Tex's comments), but we knew the salary cap situation wasn't as dire as national media guys made it out to be. There are 2-3 spots they will shore up with cheaper veterans ahead of the draft--because Gutey doesn't like going into the draft with obvious needs. I don't know how they would be able to go into the draft without an obvious need at WR though.

It would have been a close call to pay him the franchise tag amount, $19m or so, all of it hitting the cap in one year. To pay him on a deal like the Raiders, though. (I haven't heard their exact first year cap hit) would have been less than $10 million - easily doable.

Also, (and this should answer bobblehead's question, since he failed to read earlier posts), There's Alexander - I'll just go with your $7m figure, Harvey. Also Amos probably another $4 or so, Lowery $4 something if cut, $2 or 3 from restructuring, Crosby - I'd like to see him cut for I think it's $4.7 or 4.8, but maybe $2 or 3 if he's extended, maybe a couple of others I'm not recalling at the moment, but that's minimum of about $16 million saved in addition to the $15 million or so we apparently have right now. I'll go with your figure of $10 million for the season, Harvey. Basaraski said $7.5m or so for drafted players, but there's always a few in season items so $10 is probably about right.

Anyway, that would leave $20 million plus for free agents before the season, probably at least one Fuller-quality WR and maybe the $10-12m for the 3 defensive FAs Basaraski mentioned yesterday (or something similar) and still have money left over.

I always hated it when Ted Thompson did not play it close to the edge with the salary cap. Gutekunst, based on both his words and deeds, is coming a lot closer to the way I'd like to see it.

[run pMc]

Some of your numbers are off Tex.

Cutting Crosby only saves them about $2M, and they already restructured Amos this month - they converted $5.8M of 2022 salary into signing bonus, adding 4 void years, clearing $4.704M of cap space with Green Bay. They can't really do anything else with him.

They have Alexander and Lowry left, and that's it. There are no other moves they can really do that are worthwhile... and if they cut Crosby or Lowry, they have to sign players who can fill those positions. Those are starters, you fill them with scrubs you risk making your team worse...and kicker is a position where if a team neglects it, it is at their peril. Aside from those two, there are no more contracts to cook the cap with - any other cap space will be from cuts, and there aren't many left that might sense (Lowry, Crosby).

Adams' cap hit is under $10M but goes up to like $30M next year. You could have kept Adams, sure, if he wanted to stay here but he didn't so it doesn't really matter. They should have extended him last year but Bill O'Brian and his stupid GMing gave Hopkins a crazy contract that Adams wanted to approach/pass. I don't think you pay a WR what is basically QB money.

Unused cap space used to get rolled over into the next year, but I think that changed? I'm ok with them carrying a little extra cap space over to next year if that's still allowed.
You do need cap room to sign your draft picks and also carry a little space into the season to sign injury replacements.

I'm pretty sure Ball and the FO know what they're doing... it's their job. Pre-covid they hadn't made a lot of bad cap mgmt moves, they'll figure this out. I think we agree any narrative suggesting they can keep everyone is crazy. It's normal for successful teams lose players.

[RashanGary]

So the various dumbasses are still whining and ranting about this hahahahaha. I'm fine with it being just me and APB (and Gutekunst and LaFleur) who see things the way they are. Any media pukes or posters spewing bogus shit either are just stirring up trouble or ignorant.

LaFleur said that as a very short term thing. He also said the cap wasn't gonna keep the team from keeping anybody they needed. The Packers had numerous things they could have done/still can do to decrease the number against the cap (Alexander, Amos to name a couple). These likely will be done as needed when the Packers sign free agents at WR, etc. I just heard Gutekunst say they won't be restricted about who they sign before the season.

Regarding Jerry Jones, he probably is one of the "poorest" or least liquid owners. His net worth is listed at $8.6 billion, but nearly $7 billion of that is the Cowboys team. Even so, they haven't exactly been having a fire sale.

So whine on, ignoramuses. The off-season is far from over. I'm expecting the Packers to pick up one or more quality WR FAs as well as any other bargain that might come along.

Matt Lafleur literally said that they traded Adams in part because of the salary cap. Do not include Lafleur and Gute in your little fantasy.

[texaspackerbacker]

LaFleur also said they had the ability to retain anybody they needed or wanted to retain. And Gutekunst was on just yesterday from that meeting in Florida saying basically the same thing. And their actions past, present, and future say it's no fantasy. So you're going over to the dark side now and siding with the dumbasses, RG? They'll be proven dead wrong between now and the start of the season.

runMc, I must have missed it about restructuring Amos. They have Molsen on the P.S. who may be better than Crosby at this age and cheaper - or if they think Crosby is still good, they could restructure him for that $2 million or more. Lowry is not exactly a starter, borderline last year and probably down the ladder a bit with Reed coming in. Even if they only restructure him and you're correct that there isn't anybody else, that's rock bottom minimum of $11m plus the $15m now. Subtract the $10m and you still have $16m to use on FAs. That's plenty of you structure the contracts effectively, and Gutekunst et al are pretty good at that.

As for Adams, I just said they could have kept him, not that it was wise to do so. I'm thinking when all is said and done we will be better off because of the trade - 2, maybe 3 good WRs to replace him and MVS, either FAs or draft picks as well as some additional help at other positions in the draft from the acquired picks.

[jklowan]

Unless a big name wr drops in our lap I think we end up with a late round trade for Sterling Shepard and Devante Parker, then draft a couple. Both cheap vet options with little long term commitment.

[RashanGary]

I am on the dark side in siding with the people who think there is only so much you can do to stretch the salary cap this year. They have already done most of what can be done.

Another downside of those void year contracts is when you cut the player and they sign a deal with someone else, you do not get a compensatory pick back. It kind of snowballs with bad effects because dead cap space hits later too. So you pay for it twice.

I liked the old way of doing it where you were always getting extra picks in the compensatory draft pool and always had money to keep your core guys. Tt also used to do deals a year early and I liked that too because then the player was affordable on the whole contract.

[run pMc]

I think they're waiting for the asking price for some of these aging/hurt players on the market before making any offers.
I'm also wondering if there will be some post-draft cuts.

Would be expecting a lot from rookies to pick up the bulk of what Adams what producing. Rookie WRs usually take a little time to develop.

[KYPack]

Tex, you are getting obnoxious.

Do you call people dumb asses bc they don't agree with you?

The cap is the cap.

You bleat constantly on here that we are all stupid, yet you propose various moves to get under the cap.

Who is goofy? you or us.

You need to get with baby Tanky and start Tex and Tanks cap cooking shack and bait shop.

That way we can all ignore both your asses.

Since your evaluation of Dave Bahktieri, I don't take much of what you post seriously anyhow.

Rodgers don't need an OLine?

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME?

Both lines are the engine room of any sound football team.

[red]

Tex, you are getting obnoxious.

Do you call people dumb asses bc they don't agree with you?

The cap is the cap.

You bleat constantly on here that we are all stupid, yet you propose various moves to get under the cap.

Who is goofy? you or us.

You need to get with baby Tanky and start Tex and Tanks cap cooking shack and bait shop.

That way we can all ignore both your asses.

Since your evaluation of Dave Bahktieri, I don't take much of what you post seriously anyhow.

Rodgers don't need an OLine?

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME?

Both lines are the engine room of any sound football team.

you just come out from the rock you've been living under for almost 20 years?