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  • Packers now with the 9th most draft capital. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings
    I can't run no more
    With that lawless crowd
    While the killers in high places
    Say their prayers out loud
    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
    A thundercloud
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    • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
      Packers now with the 9th most draft capital. https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings
      Those high picks are sometimes overvalued--especially in a draft like this.

      For example, if you take away pick #8 from Atlanta and pick #22 from Green Bay, Green Bay has a higher pick every selection after that.

      Green Bay's 2nd pick is 15 spots higher than Atlanta's 2nd pick.
      Their 3rd pick is 5 spots higher than Atlanta.
      Their 4th pick is 15 spots higher than Atlanta.
      Their 5th pick is 22 spots higher than Atlanta.
      Their 6th pick is 19 spots higher than Atlanta.
      Their 7th pick is 50 spots higher than Atlanta.
      Their 8th pick is 43 spots higher than Atlanta.

      Atlanta only has 9 picks, so add the three 7th round picks as extra picks for Green Bay. Quite honestly, I'd take Green Bay's draft capital.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • Given Gutes history, can anyone see him staying put in the first round? He has 2 fourths at his disposal to improve both of his 1s. I expect him to do what he has always done.
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • Probably. Once he targets someone as a first that he wants, he tends to go get them. I'd guess he'll move up a bit in the first.

          It would flip us all out if he pulled a Ted Thompson and traded down.

          Saw an article in Acme this morning that using another draft capital metric the Packers now rank sixth in draft capital. The article mentions Harv's point - that early picks in other metrics are often overvalued.

          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

          KYPack

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          • Michigan OLB David Ojabo suffered leg injury at Pro Day and had to be helped off field. Draft Network had him at #24 on their big board.
            I can't run no more
            With that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places
            Say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
            A thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • Hate to say it, but I wasn't a fan of us drafting Ojabo. I think he'll need to time to develop, and that doesn't fit our window with Rodgers.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                Hate to say it, but I wasn't a fan of us drafting Ojabo. I think he'll need to time to develop, and that doesn't fit our window with Rodgers.
                Agreed, Harv. Saw him a little bit this year, and he's a speed move guy without much else.
                "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                KYPack

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                • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                  Agreed, Harv. Saw him a little bit this year, and he's a speed move guy without much else.
                  Then maybe with the injury he falls to third round and can be our combo breaker.

                  Or did I just curse the poor guy...
                  All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

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                  • Speed is his one great asset, and if he effed up his leg that badly at his pro day, he probably will never be the player he was, much less develop. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to hyped U of M players . . .

                    As for all the talk about the Packers "having" to take a WR at #22 (https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...2022-nfl-draft), I do not agree. What not many people have talked about is how badly Kenny Clark needs a running buddy on the D-line. They got nothing other than him and occasionally-good Lowry. Slaton is a NT, and the defense needs someone at the 3 and/or 5 to take the heat off Clark. And everyone knows big guys are harder to find. So if there is that guy at #22, take him, period. You need a WR bad after that, then trade up from #28.
                    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                    KYPack

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                    • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                      Speed is his one great asset, and if he effed up his leg that badly at his pro day, he probably will never be the player he was, much less develop. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to hyped U of M players . . .

                      As for all the talk about the Packers "having" to take a WR at #22 (https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...2022-nfl-draft), I do not agree. What not many people have talked about is how badly Kenny Clark needs a running buddy on the D-line. They got nothing other than him and occasionally-good Lowry. Slaton is a NT, and the defense needs someone at the 3 and/or 5 to take the heat off Clark. And everyone knows big guys are harder to find. So if there is that guy at #22, take him, period. You need a WR bad after that, then trade up from #28.
                      I don't disagree. However, I'm thinking more and more that the DL worth taking at 22 (Devonte Wyatt, Jordan Davis) will be gone but there will be WR's worth taking there. Guys like Olave and Treylon Burks. There are simply more 1st round prospects at WR than at DL. Now having diagnosed all that, Gute will probably draft a Safety.

                      Edit: Ojabo tore his achilles. Terrible injury for a speed rusher.
                      Last edited by Joemailman; 03-19-2022, 11:09 AM.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                        I don't disagree. However, I'm thinking more and more that the DL worth taking at 22 (Devonte Wyatt, Jordan Davis) will be gone but there will be WR's worth taking there. Guys like Olave and Treylon Burks. There are simply more 1st round prospects at WR than at DL. Now having diagnosed all that, Gute will probably draft a Safety.

                        Edit: Ojabo tore his achilles. Terrible injury for a speed rusher.
                        No, you don't reach, but if one of those two are sitting there when you're up, and so is your favorite wide receiver, take the defensive lineman.
                        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                        KYPack

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                        • I somehow see Gutes trading from 28 up to 21. It will be one of those things where he doesn't want to choose between 2 guys.
                          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                          • Trading up would make sense this year. We don't need quantity, but we could use a few future stars.
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                            • Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                              We got a 6th for Ka'dar Holman from the Texans, so the trade was basically Holman for Cobb. That seems fair.
                              I thought it was a R7 for Hollman? Didn't they give up a R6 for Bojorquez?

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                              • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                                Speed is his one great asset, and if he effed up his leg that badly at his pro day, he probably will never be the player he was, much less develop. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to hyped U of M players . . .

                                As for all the talk about the Packers "having" to take a WR at #22 (https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...2022-nfl-draft), I do not agree. What not many people have talked about is how badly Kenny Clark needs a running buddy on the D-line. They got nothing other than him and occasionally-good Lowry. Slaton is a NT, and the defense needs someone at the 3 and/or 5 to take the heat off Clark. And everyone knows big guys are harder to find. So if there is that guy at #22, take him, period. You need a WR bad after that, then trade up from #28.
                                Not a fan of Ojabo, not in R1, and certainly not if he has a major leg injury to stunt his development. Achilles injuries are really bad news.
                                If they don't trade the picks I strongly believe they will use at least 2 of their first 4 picks on either EDGE, DL or OT. Kenny needs help and the DL plays worse without him, the EDGE group needs depth, and even if they play Jenkins/Njiman at RT I think they want someone who can play swing tackle and eventually push those guys back to their original spots (LG, bench).

                                They will almost certainly use a high pick on a WR unless the value isn't there. This is a very good EDGE class. Bisaccia will impress on Gute that they need bodies to improve their ST as well - oh yeah, Oren Burks is a 49er. A middle round LB? A TE to replace Dafney/Lewis?
                                They could use a guy to play slot corner, and third safety. Sullivan isn't a tire fire, but he got picked on at times. Maybe they put Jaire there?
                                The Brisker kid out of PSU has slid a bit, I think he'd be a nice upgrade over Henry Black. Savage had a tough year and if they lose Amos (who is quietly very good) that safety group is a weakness.

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