2022 NFL Draft Talk

[RashanGary]

There are more 5-10 and 5-11 quality receivers than there are 6-3 and above.

[RashanGary]

Cooper Kupp 6'2" 208
Justin Jefferson 6'1" 195
Davante Adams 6'1" 215
Jamarr Chase 6'0" 201
Deebo Samuel 6'0" 215
Tyreek Hill 5'10" 185
Tyler Lockett 5'10" 182
Dionte Johnson 5'10" 183
DJ Moore 6'0" 210
Mike Williams 6'4" 218
Keenan Allen 6'2" 211
Chris Godwin 6'1" 209
Cee Dee Lamb 6'2" 197
Tee Higgins 6'4"215
Michael Pittman 6'4" 223
Darnell Mooney 5'11"174
Terry McLaurin 6'0" 210
Hunter Renfrow 5'10" 185
Brandin Cooks 5'10" 183
Mike Evans 6'5" 231
Jaylen Waddle 5'10" 182
Marquise Brown 5'9" 180
Christian Kirk 5'11" 200
DK Metcalf 6'4" 235
Devonta Smith 6'0"170

[RashanGary]

1 - 5'9" 1 is below 5'10"

6 - 5'10" 8 are between 5'10" and 5'11"
2 - 5'11"

5 - 6'0"
3 - 6'1" 11 are between 6' and 6'2"
3 - 6'2"

0 - 6'3"
4 - 6'4" 4 are between 6'3' and 6'4"

1 - 6'5" 1 is 6'5" or taller



5'10" to 6'4" are the common heights for NFL receivers

[RashanGary]

You are more likely to find a quality receiver who is 5'10" or 5'11" than you are to find one who is 6'3" or taller. Every year we drool over the tall fast guys and obviously, every year they fail. Maybe we should be looking at the 5'10" and 5'11" guys a little closer. Clearly you're more likely to find one than a tall one.

[Bretsky]

You are more likely to find a quality receiver who is 5'10" or 5'11" than you are to find one who is 6'3" or taller. Every year we drool over the tall fast guys and obviously, every year they fail. Maybe we should be looking at the 5'10" and 5'11" guys a little closer. Clearly you're more likely to find one than a tall one.

Looks like we might wanna eliminate the 5 9" runts

[Bretsky]

Antonio brown
5-10 184 4.59 40

Steve Smith
5-10 185 4.44 40

Tyreek Hill
5-10 185 4.29 pro day 40

Jahan Dotson
5-11 184 4.43 40


Dotson is not a slot receiver. He can do everything.

You think Dotson is as good as those guys ? He seems to get jammed at the LOS easily. I do view him as more of a slot but I'm probably wrong.

[Bretsky]

Saw a mock of Burks and Dotson; I'll take that )

[Bretsky]

KILLER GOOD MOCK OVER AT SBNATION

22. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State

28. Travis Jones, NT, UConn

53. George Pickens, WR, Georgia

59. Trey McBride, TE, Colorado State

92. Alex Wright, EDGE, UAB

132. Kellen Diesch, OT, Arizona State

140. Leon O’Neal Jr., S, Texas A&M

171. Zach Tom, OL, Wake Forest

[HarveyWallbangers]

Cooper Kupp 6'2" 208
Justin Jefferson 6'1" 195
Davante Adams 6'1" 215
Jamarr Chase 6'0" 201
Deebo Samuel 6'0" 215
Tyreek Hill 5'10" 185
Tyler Lockett 5'10" 182
Dionte Johnson 5'10" 183
DJ Moore 6'0" 210
Mike Williams 6'4" 218
Keenan Allen 6'2" 211
Chris Godwin 6'1" 209
Cee Dee Lamb 6'2" 197
Tee Higgins 6'4"215
Michael Pittman 6'4" 223
Darnell Mooney 5'11"174
Terry McLaurin 6'0" 210
Hunter Renfrow 5'10" 185
Brandin Cooks 5'10" 183
Mike Evans 6'5" 231
Jaylen Waddle 5'10" 182
Marquise Brown 5'9" 180
Christian Kirk 5'11" 200
DK Metcalf 6'4" 235
Devonta Smith 6'0"170

Seems like some bias. Mooney, Brown, Renfrow, and Kirk—yet no Thielen, Gallup, Woods, Diggs, Parker, Boyd, Claypool, AJ Brown, Chark, Sutton, Amari Cooper, Michael Thomas, Hopkins, etc.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And it’s not that little guys don’t have a place in some systems. They just don’t have a lot of value outside of slot WR in a MLF/Shanahan offense.

[RashanGary]

I used top 25 receiving leaders from 2021. But I somehow forgot to include diggs. Oops

[HarveyWallbangers]

Interesting article on PFF. Scouts named who they thought could go in round 1 that aren’t projected to go round 1. Guys listed:

QB Sam Howell
QB Desmond Ridder
WR Christian Watson
OT Abraham Lucas
OT Rasheed Walker
EDGE Boye Mafe
LB Quay Walker
S Jaquan Brisker

Mafe, Watson, Lucas, and Walker are four of my guys. Walker is one guy I didn’t think much of.

[run pMc]

Tyreek Hill, Lockett, Renfrow, Dionte Johnson, Christian Kirk, Mooney, Cooks, waddle, Marquise Brown and Christian Kirk

All 5-10 or 5-11. Marquise Brown is 5-9

That is 10 of the top 27 receivers in the NFL by receiving yards.

5-10 and 5-11 is not too short. And 184 is not too light. It is right in the wheel house of where guys succeed. And most of these guys are perimeter weapons not slot guys.

Most of them go in the 2nd and 3rd rounds too. But they should not. Jahan Dotson is gonna be a player.

I think he has a chance to be a player, but he's got bust potential too.
I also think, barring some schematic adjustments, he'd be an unusual choice for a pick. Lastly, I think he could get overdrafted: you can talk me into him as a Day 2 pick, but I don't like him as a fit for GB in Round 1.
As for height/size, basically every WR Rodgers has thrown to except Greg Jennings and Cobb has been at least 6' or taller: Jordy, Adams, Driver, Jones, Lazard, MVS, Janis Kumerow, Swain... I wonder if they have size rules around WR like they do for CBs.

Dotson is not big and is a good but not great athlete (aside from his 40 time) if you look at his RAS https://ras.football/ras-information...D=21120&pos=WR
Tyreek Hill's for comparison: https://ras.football/2020/01/23/tyreek-hill-ras/ Hill was shorter but weighed more, and his testing scores were (in some cases far) superior.

Maybe they take Dotson because you can also get value on ST with him returning punts, but I think Gute can get better value and I question his scheme fit with the roster as-is.

[run pMc]

Interesting article on PFF. Scouts named who they thought could go in round 1 that aren’t projected to go round 1. Guys listed:

QB Sam Howell
QB Desmond Ridder
WR Christian Watson
OT Abraham Lucas
OT Rasheed Walker
EDGE Boye Mafe
LB Quay Walker
S Jaquan Brisker

Mafe, Watson, Lucas, and Walker are four of my guys. Walker is one guy I didn’t think much of.

Wow... that's a lot of speculation.. and a lot of other good players sliding out of Round 1. Seems like the consensus is for Devin Lloyd to be a R1 pick, Quay Walker feels like a reach in late R1. Lucas and Walker too.
The QBs could be late R1 picks -- QBs are often overdrafted but a good one is so important to a team's success that it can be a worthwhile gamble. I don't see it with Howell, Ridder is a maybe... wouldn't shock me if both go R1. Probably better for GB if they do, actually.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Wow... that's a lot of speculation.. and a lot of other good players sliding out of Round 1. Seems like the consensus is for Devin Lloyd to be a R1 pick, Quay Walker feels like a reach in late R1. Lucas and Walker too.
The QBs could be late R1 picks -- QBs are often overdrafted but the value of a good one is so disproportionate to a team's success that it can be a worthwhile gamble. I don't see it with Howell, Ridder is a maybe... wouldn't shock me if both go R1. Probably better for GB if they do, actually.

I haven't gotten to LBs yet, so I can't say whether I like Lloyd or Walker more, but I do know that in the modern NFL, it's hard for ILBs with average speed to be elite. Devin Lloyd ran a 4.66 40, so we'll see if his skills translate. Will he be able to cover enough?

I really like Lucas. He's actually my 5th rated OT.

I'm slightly higher on Howell than Ridder. I think Howell has better arm talent, he's athletic, and his 2020 tape is really good. UNC lost a bunch of offensive players after 2020, and they implemented a new offense--which I don't think did justice to Howell.