Gute - we love you this 2022 Draft

[QBME]

[QUOTE=HarveyWallbangers;1115497]OL shouldn

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I’m not too worried about Watson. He will be very good in this scheme. Maybe not in Year 1 given ARod’s history with rookies. Walker probably scares me most.

I see 4 starters at this point.

4 starters out out of the first 5 picks , and maybe a #3 wr with that 5th pick, if not a starter

thats a damn good draft

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[Jaire]

I like this draft, except the first pick.. Nothing wrong with the player, just ILB in round 1. I haven't liked the last two drafts: even here, not sure about Gute's draft philosophy.

[RashanGary]

The last time I hated a draft pick was Clay Matthews. Couldnt start on his colllege football team until senior year.

That shut me up for about 15 years.

But Ive forgotten how much I dont know and hate two picks again. Two high picks that should be good players. Walker and Watson. All potential with no production. Yuck!

I hope Gute shuts me up for 15 more years. I want to be wrong.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Watson not bring productive is just false. You aren’t named an All-American without being productive. He made the FCS All-American team as a WR in 2021 (after making it as a returner in 2020). People that actually follow this stuff know how productive he was—despite his limited opportunities.

https://www.packers.com/team/players-roster/christian-watson/

2021 SEASON (SENIOR): First team All-America wide receiver by HERO Sports...Second team All-America wide receiver by Associated Press and all-purpose player by Stats Perform...Third team All-America wide receiver by Phil Steele

[smuggler]

JH working hard for the reverse jinx. Respect it.

[RashanGary]

JH working hard for the reverse jinx. Respect it.

I hope I do reverse jinx it! The last time I hated a pick was Clay Matthews and TT shut me up so good, I didn't complain about a pick for like 15 years. I hope Gute shuts me up with Walker and Watson.

[HarveyWallbangers]

SI

Green Bay Packers
GRADE: A

Round 1, Pick 22 (from Las Vegas): Quay Walker, ILB, Georgia
Round 1, Pick 28: Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia
Round 2, Pick 34 (from Detroit via Minnesota): Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State
Round 3, Pick 92: Sean Rhyan, OG, UCLA
Round 4, Pick 132: Romeo Doubs, WR, Nevada
Round 4, Pick 140: Zach Tom, OL, Wake Forest
Round 5, Pick 179 (from Indianapolis via Denver): Kingsley Enagbare, DE, South Carolina
Round 7, Pick 228 (from Chicago via Houston): Tariq Carpenter, LB, Georgia Tech
Round 7, Pick 234 (from Cleveland via Detroit and Denver): Jonathan Ford, DT, Miami
Round 7, Pick 249: Rasheed Walker, OT, Penn State
Round 7, Pick 258: Samori Toure, WR, Nebraska

ANALYSIS: I’ll use this space to continue my rant from Thursday. It befuddles me that we depict Aaron Rodgers as this Wizard of Oz-ian character sitting behind the curtain bellowing about the team’s lack of wide receiver talent. Rodgers has been incredibly blessed throughout his career to work with a bevy of talented wideouts supplied to him by the Packers’ front office. Their process has expertly identified high-upside players in the second round and beyond. So when Green Bay took their Davante Adams haul and used it toward patching up the defense, why would he be upset? Wyatt is going to add a fascinating upfield interior pressure component to the Packers defense. A true run disruptor, he’ll help Green Bay become less reliant on their exceptional linebacker play. And, lo and behold, they still end up with Watson, who, in the FCS, looked a little like the 6' 5" kid on the 9-year-old AAU team, completely dominant in an effortless sort of way. The Packers have succeeded with this big-bodied receiver profile before.

[texaspackerbacker]

Thanks for all those analyses, Harvey. .

On the day after the draft, I am kinda underwhelmed by most of the picks - really all except Watson and Wyatt. Watson has superstar written all over him - mark my words, that will be obvious by year 3, probably a lot sooner, and most of those others mentioned Pierce, Metchie, etc. will be mediocre starters if starters at all. I am excited to see what Wyatt can do. While I agree with APB on a lot on his "Yokozuma" thing, I disagree with his negativity about Kenny Clark. I'm actually hopeful that Wyatt can reach the gold standard for D Linemen - even better than Clark - and kinda resemble Vita Vea.

Beyond that, MEH best describes it. Doubs seems like crap - possibly not even as good as the other guy taken later, Toure. I doubt either is as good as Malik Taylor who sadly, they may displace on the roster. My thoughts about O Linemen are well known. Just the same, I like what I read about Rhyan. The other guy, Tom, not so much. I doubt Rhyan beats out Nijman at RT, but he is more solid mediocrity as depth, and really, 320 pounds of mediocrity is about all you need to be a decent O Lineman. Enagbare sounds like a lesser version of Tipa, way below Garvin. I wish we had upgraded there, but it seems we did not. Ford seems like a lesser version of Slaton. Hopefully Carpenter can help on special teams. I don't see much else he is good for ....... which brings us to our top first rounder. He may be an upgrade from Kris Barnes, and he might help on special teams - BFD, we use the 22nd pick in the draft for that? We got damn lucky to still get Wyatt and Watson after basically wasting the Walker pick.

Anyway, more good than bad overall. I might go as high as A-, assuming Watson and Wyatt pan out as I think they will.

[run pMc]

Lotta complaining for an A-. That must be all because of Watson and Wyatt.

Kidding aside, I wonder if you're overvaluing Malik Taylor and undervaluing the other WRs. Taylor came from Ferris State, a D2 school, and has shown nothing. Winfree's best catch last year had him fumble it out of bounds.
At least Doubs and Toure showed out as top receivers for their teams at the D1 level. They needed to bring in more WRs - their entire 2018 WR class is now gone, Watkins and Cobb are gone after this year, and Lazard will be a UFA. They need WRs to grow and develop into (hopefully) good players. Watson and Doubs can also play ST too, and Toure isn't bad.

The OL can be hard to judge, but they needed players there after losing Turner, Patrick, Kelly and with Bahktiari and Jenkins returning from injury. With drafting of Rhyan, Tom, and Walker it's pretty hard to project who their Week 1 starting 5 will be, but it should be better than what they had pre-draft. GB is so good at turning mid-round picks into starters it's impressive, and they got good prospects to continue that trend.

Enagbare is better than Tipa right now. Tipa is 230 pounds soaking wet, he can't hold the point of attack and is easily shed by an OT during pass rush. They like Randy Ramsey a LOT and Garvin is meh, this guy will compete for snaps and can be a big body on ST.

The R7 guys are ST picks and they needed a lot of help there. Not a huge fan of the Ford and Walker picks, but Carpenter and Toure were good. I think Carpenter could be fun to watch on ST with his size/speed. They got younger, faster, and I'd argue quite a bit better. Bisaccia wasn't going to coach here without better players.

One interesting thing: no safeties, corners, or TE drafted. That surprised me.

A lot of these players have ability to play ST and I think you'll see that this year. Gute mentioned it was a bigger point of focus and a shift in their approach to the draft and roster construction. Having said all that, can't really judge this draft until 2024-25 but I think it was overall pretty good.

[texaspackerbacker]

Damn Right all about Watson and Wyatt - I'm betting both become consensus all pros.

I'd be very pleased to be wrong about Doubs, but he really seems like crap to me. As for Malik Taylor, he has speed and size on both Doubs and Toure, not to mention Winfree and Rodgers, and the only time he got much of a chance, last preseason, he performed very well, and he is a fairly decent kick returner too. I doubt they keep more than 6 WRs, so he may be gone, though.

I have hope for Engabare too, but supposedly he looks weak, and I doubt he is near as fast off the edge as Tipa - that's not meant to say Tipa is all that great hahahaha, but he is damn fast of the edge. Garvin, though, I do have a fairly high opinion of. I wish we'd taken somebody earlier as an edge rusher.

The O Line guys, as I said, seem mediocre, but that's about all you need in the Packers O Line. Walker sounds like a better prospect to me than Tom - who seems like a total waste.

We absolutely did not need a TE - no surprise to me that the decision makers thought that too. As strong as we are in DBs, not much surprise there either, although getting somebody late might have been worthwhile.

[George Cumby]

As always, I don't get wrapped around the axle about the draft.

#1: We won't know for three years, so why freak out now?

#2: Gute and his scouting department know their business. How many shit drafts has he put together so far? None that I can think of. This roster is pretty fucking stacked.

I'm just gonna' sit back and enjoy watching these kids grow.

[texaspackerbacker]

In general I agree with that, but with trading Davante and losing MVS, this season is a little different - that and having more high picks than usual. They chose to handle it mainly through the draft other than Watkins, so it who we got was fairly critical. And I'm confident they got the best WR in the draft - even though six were taken earlier.

[Jaire]

This is the first draft I have liked in a while and could be Gute's best. Other drafts I've had to "come around to liking." Not this, though I hate giving up an extra two -- still it was an extra pick and they got one of their favorite WRs for relatively cheap.

I keep forgetting that Barry is very good at developing and using LBs and that Quay is in lieu of an LB & safety: so his value is higher. If anyone can make it work with Quay, it's Barry. Both value and likely success are much better looking.

First time I actually like all the picks (except Ford, if that counts) in over ten years. I also think GB got all their guys: this is a nice trend in that they are not taking big risks.