Avenues to get better?

[bobblehead]

Yes, that quote got cut off. The essence of the quote is that in the MLF era, the Packers struggle with bouncing back from adversity in games. The implication I think is that they lack some mental toughness.

Ya know, they got the same rap in the fat mike era....What is the main consistency throughout these regimes?

[Joemailman]

But I thought everyone is running all over us so they just don't bother to pass? Isn't that the case??

Packers defense has faced 133 rushing attempts and 133 passing attempts. The average is 171 passing attempts vs 132 rushing attempts. The Packers defense has faced the fewest number of plays in the NFL. They are giving up 4.8 yards per rush which ranks 22nd. They are giving up 6.1 yards per pass attempt which ranks 11th. This despite giving up a completion pct of 72.9% which is the worst in the NFL. The reason is they are giving up only 10 yards per completion which ranks 8th. They have produced only 4 turnovers which ranks 26th. So really the only think the defense has done well is avoid giving up the big pass play.

[Bretsky]

By that definition 31 teams in the NFL suck every year.

By that admission, if there were three Super Bowl winners over the last 44 games I would definitely consider them more successful that anybody with a better record

And yes, there is only one Big Show a year. The other 31 teams are somewhere between crap and 2nd place

[beveaux1]

Packers defense has faced 133 rushing attempts and 133 passing attempts. The average is 171 passing attempts vs 132 rushing attempts. The Packers defense has faced the fewest number of plays in the NFL. They are giving up 4.8 yards per rush which ranks 22nd. They are giving up 6.1 yards per pass attempt which ranks 11th. This despite giving up a completion pct of 72.9% which is the worst in the NFL. The reason is they are giving up only 10 yards per completion which ranks 8th. They have produced only 4 turnovers which ranks 26th. So really the only think the defense has done well is avoid giving up the big pass play.

This is what I see when we’re on defense. Pretty bad at everything. We’ve played one good offense-our first game- and four very subpar offenses. We really have nowhere to go but up.

[bobblehead]

Packers defense has faced 133 rushing attempts and 133 passing attempts. The average is 171 passing attempts vs 132 rushing attempts. The Packers defense has faced the fewest number of plays in the NFL. They are giving up 4.8 yards per rush which ranks 22nd. They are giving up 6.1 yards per pass attempt which ranks 11th. This despite giving up a completion pct of 72.9% which is the worst in the NFL. The reason is they are giving up only 10 yards per completion which ranks 8th. They have produced only 4 turnovers which ranks 26th. So really the only think the defense has done well is avoid giving up the big pass play.

You described a very average defense which sounds about what my eyes have told me. And I agree, given the capital spent it should be better. But the source of this teams woes is 2nd half offense.

[bobblehead]

By that admission, if there were three Super Bowl winners over the last 44 games I would definitely consider them more successful that anybody with a better record

And yes, there is only one Big Show a year. The other 31 teams are somewhere between crap and 2nd place

We have a different definition of success. Yours involves a lot of luck and timing. Mine is simply what teams fielded the best team.

Rams, Buccaneers and Chiefs. I would argue we were better than TB and should have knocked them out but for some sketchy reffing and some bad decisions by ARod.

The Chiefs are arguably better than us over that time span...Rams, not so much. Getting to the playoffs is skill. Winning an Owl is a combination of skill/luck/timing. We have failed in that regard, but we did have 2 NFCC games to show and then a garbage one and out.

I get it. Fans want to win an Owl every year, to go along with a world series and NBA championship. I view the world in a bigger picture. I know that even dominant teams fall short. Middleton gets hurt. Some random 3rd baseman gets red hot. Winning titles takes talent, but so much more.

If we limp into the playoffs at 9-7 then get hot and win an owl, I'll be thrilled. But I won't consider it a more successful team than the 2 season of 13-3 with NFCC games.

[texaspackerbacker]

"If we limp into the playoffs at 9-7 then get hot and win an owl, I'll be thrilled. But I won't consider it a more successful team than the 2 season of 13-3 with NFCC games." - If you're saying what I think you're saying and not just somehow being sarcastic, then I tend to agree with what comes after the "but".

Myself, I think the ship gets righted, and the Packers go something like 13-4, I'd be thoroughly delighted with the season whatever happens in the playoffs. That all the way to the Super Bowl is just frosting on the cake IMO.

[Bretsky]

We have a different definition of success. Yours involves a lot of luck and timing. Mine is simply what teams fielded the best team.

Rams, Buccaneers and Chiefs. I would argue we were better than TB and should have knocked them out but for some sketchy reffing and some bad decisions by ARod.

The Chiefs are arguably better than us over that time span...Rams, not so much. Getting to the playoffs is skill. Winning an Owl is a combination of skill/luck/timing. We have failed in that regard, but we did have 2 NFCC games to show and then a garbage one and out.

I get it. Fans want to win an Owl every year, to go along with a world series and NBA championship. I view the world in a bigger picture. I know that even dominant teams fall short. Middleton gets hurt. Some random 3rd baseman gets red hot. Winning titles takes talent, but so much more.

If we limp into the playoffs at 9-7 then get hot and win an owl, I'll be thrilled. But I won't consider it a more successful team than the 2 season of 13-3 with NFCC games.

There is plenty of Luck with Wins and losses as well as strength of schedule...aka...being in fruitcake divisions. I'll take championships. And I'll take a 9 and 7 championship over a 13 and 3 any day

[RashanGary]

There is plenty of Luck with Wins and losses as well as strength of schedule...aka...being in fruitcake divisions. I'll take championships. And I'll take a 9 and 7 championship over a 13 and 3 any day

Me too. 2010 is the most memorable packer season of the Rodgers era because we won an Owl. Even though it was a 10-6 regular season, it was the best one we’ve had since the last one.

[bobblehead]

So if we all agree that the owl is the goal, why all the doom and gloom in week 5?

[bobblehead]

Do ya feel like maybe you walked into that one?

[Joemailman]

So if we all agree that the owl is the goal, why all the doom and gloom in week 5?

Because there's no way a 3-2 team is going on to win the Super Bowl! The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, after 5 games they were...er...3-2.

If you're wondering, in game 6 that year they lost at home in overtime to an AFC East team.

[QBME]

Because there's no way a 3-2 team is going on to win the Super Bowl! The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, after 5 games they were...er...3-2.

If you're wondering, in game 6 that year they lost at home in overtime to an AFC East team.

Awesome.
Thanks Joe.

IMHO, what's needed is a player's only locker room meeting when'st a couple of guys stand up and deliver a peel the paint off the wall missive; is you is, or is you ain't?

[Joemailman]

Because there's no way a 3-2 team is going on to win the Super Bowl! The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, after 5 games they were...er...3-2.

If you're wondering, in game 6 that year they lost at home in overtime to an AFC East team.

I think we can run the table.