Fed up

[bobblehead]

Maybe people think if Joe Namath made the HOF with his 65.5 passer rating, that Eli and Matt would make it?

Yes, lets compare stats from the 60s to stats today. If that is your metric Put Lynn Dickey in yesterday!!

[run pMc]

I'm not old enough to remember Namath in his prime, I vaguely remember him bounce passing throws at the end of his career. There are a few 'unworthies' in the Hall, it's unclear to me if Namath is one.

IMO Stafford does not belong in the HOF. A lot of his stats were on bad DET teams where he had to throw in basically extended garbage time. He won his SB ring on the backs of Cooper Kupp and Aaron Donald.
Manning is interesting because he won multiple SBs but he wasn't a great regular season QB. He has a lot of counting stats but that's more a testament to longevity than greatness. I think he belongs in the Hall of Very Good, but not the HOF. He was extremely streaky, and those Giants teams won because they were so good in trenches (especially the DL).

The passing game is such that you have to evaluate QBs for the hall differently I think. Even a shitty QB now would look great statistically 30 years ago.

[Fritz]

I was a kid in 1971, just turned eleven, and I was watching pre-season football (my parents were home so I couldn't get to my old man's porn stash). The Jets were playing the Lions, and I remember the play in which Broadway Joe tore up his knee. He was trying to tackle Mike Lucci, who'd intercepted a pass.

That was the beginning of the end of Joe Willie. Those days, knee injuries were pretty much a death knell. Namath was still only 28 at the time. He hung on and hung on afterward, but was a shell of himself - thus the lousy career passer rating.

But in his prime, yeah, he was something else.

I'm not a huge Stafford fan. He was good in Detroit, but not HOF good by any stretch. And really, he didn't play well in the playoffs for the Rams, outside that final drive where he just kept throwing to Cooper Kupp. Stafford threw a bunch of picks in the playoffs. A bunch.

[texaspackerbacker]

This will be my last Packer post this season unless or until the Packers win three straight. This season has completely turned to shit, and prospects of it turning around are pretty grim.

The offensive line is downright pathetic, but it's been near that bad for most of the Favre and Rodgers eras, and the Packers have won big time anyway. Our defense is talented but horribly handled in a lot of ways. Barry needs to go. I've always praised LaFleur, but his game planning and decision making this season seems questionable at best. I've always thought and said that LaFleur's best quality was that he subordinated his ego and went with Aaron Rodgers as the primary reason for his and the Packers success. Well, this year, has fallen short, and LaFleur has been exposed. As for Rodgers' rotten season which just got geometrically worse today, my theory is that Rodgers thrived despite the lame-assed O Line, but this year either he is not the QB he used to be, or the lack of decent receivers AND the O Line mess are just too much to compensate for.

Next year and beyond, either we will have Rodgers or we won't. If he is still in Green Bay for 1, 2, 3, or more years, I remain confident that just a little bit of fine tuning will get the Packers offense back on top - hopefully with Barry gone and a much improved D, but probably even without improved D. If Rodgers is gone next season - or probably whenever he is gone, I fully expect the team to be a complete disaster - much like today's game and worse than the way the season has gone before today.

It ain't much consolation, but it's been a pretty shitty year for a lot of other predicted to good teams too.

At least we've got the Bucks, and hopefully the Badger football season is back on track as well as hopefully a great year for Badger basketball, not too mention that unmentionable topic I will continue to post about in FYI.

[Teamcheez1]

You certainly wear rose colored glasses in regards to Packer football and are quite the homer for Wisconsin sports. I appreciate your posts nonetheless.

[Rastak]

This will be my last Packer post this season unless or until the Packers win three straight. This season has completely turned to shit, and prospects of it turning around are pretty grim.

The offensive line is downright pathetic, but it's been near that bad for most of the Favre and Rodgers eras, and the Packers have won big time anyway. Our defense is talented but horribly handled in a lot of ways. Barry needs to go. I've always praised LaFleur, but his game planning and decision making this season seems questionable at best. I've always thought and said that LaFleur's best quality was that he subordinated his ego and went with Aaron Rodgers as the primary reason for his and the Packers success. Well, this year, has fallen short, and LaFleur has been exposed. As for Rodgers' rotten season which just got geometrically worse today, my theory is that Rodgers thrived despite the lame-assed O Line, but this year either he is not the QB he used to be, or the lack of decent receivers AND the O Line mess are just too much to compensate for.

Next year and beyond, either we will have Rodgers or we won't. If he is still in Green Bay for 1, 2, 3, or more years, I remain confident that just a little bit of fine tuning will get the Packers offense back on top - hopefully with Barry gone and a much improved D, but probably even without improved D. If Rodgers is gone next season - or probably whenever he is gone, I fully expect the team to be a complete disaster - much like today's game and worse than the way the season has gone before today.

It ain't much consolation, but it's been a pretty shitty year for a lot of other predicted to good teams too.

At least we've got the Bucks, and hopefully the Badger football season is back on track as well as hopefully a great year for Badger basketball, not too mention that unmentionable topic I will continue to post about in FYI.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

[Jereamiah]

I made a couple points earlier this season. Had a couple takes, was basically shined on because it was my "5th post" or some shit and they were looking forward to my next, or whatever. But here's the thing: Ya need an owner. Not that stupid ass "Im an owner" shit. The org has no direction. They tried to flex with the Love pick, ventured out. Making moves. Knowing Rodgers was nearing his end. But then 12 gets MVP. Instead of sticking with their plan with Love, they listened to all the MVP "greatest QB EVER" shit and caved on that. But not totally. They half-assed it. If they were going to put it all in on Rodgers? Make some WR picks this last draft. Early. DO SOMETHING TO GO WITH THAT DECISION. But they dont. THEN, as this season progressed, they make (reportedly) couple half assed moves at the trade deadline but to no avail. Whats it going to be? Anywaqy, everyone knows 12 is a giant d-bag, and that management is waffling. It's like the organization is rudderless. Maybe 5 people in a room throwing darts at a board trying to decide what to do. Get a real owner... LOL

[call_me_ishmael]

Yet people still bitched about TTs drafts. How about Gutes first 5 drafts? Ted got a little lucky that Rodgers slid to him, and maybe Gutes reached for Love (time will tell). Otherwise Jaire, Gary, Savage, Jenkins, Dillon, Runyan, Stokes, Myers, and this years class.

Now its WAY to early to compare drafts over a decade ago to the most recent 5, but I could easily see Gutes drafts being just as good....realize your list has had entire careers play out, Gutes has had at most 4 full seasons of a career.

And your list includes AJ Hawk and a kicker. Also a journey man WR in Jones, and a never was in Finely. I actually believe if that is the extent of the TT list, then Gutes will rival it easy when the final story is told. I intentionally left this years class off the list, but either Watson or Doubs could have a Jones career. Walker could EASILY surpass the downfield tackling machine that Hawk was. Tom could easily end up with a sitton like career.

TT either go unhealthy or lazy, because the average draft quality diminished big time from the super bowl onward. I did a comprehensive analysis on this. TT was an all-timer early in his tenure though.

I would be shocked if his first 5 draft rival Ted's. I would be shocked if his *best* 5 draft rival Teds best 5. I don't hate Gooter or anything but to me it's pretty clear he is a good GM but in different ways.

[call_me_ishmael]

Odds aren’t as bad as you think finding a HOF QB

Right now Rodgers, Brady and maybe Mahommes, Allen, Herbert, Wilson, Lamar, Burrow.

That’s 8 of 32 teams with HOF QB play or 1 of 4. So we have about a 25% chance to land another.

I think the odds that Herbert, Lamar, Allen, and Burrow all make it is very, very, very slim. Russell Wilson - man IDK if he is a HOFer. If he is, it's barely and the bar is clearly too low in that case.

[red]

I made a couple points earlier this season. Had a couple takes, was basically shined on because it was my "5th post" or some shit and they were looking forward to my next, or whatever. But here's the thing: Ya need an owner. Not that stupid ass "Im an owner" shit. The org has no direction. They tried to flex with the Love pick, ventured out. Making moves. Knowing Rodgers was nearing his end. But then 12 gets MVP. Instead of sticking with their plan with Love, they listened to all the MVP "greatest QB EVER" shit and caved on that. But not totally. They half-assed it. If they were going to put it all in on Rodgers? Make some WR picks this last draft. Early. DO SOMETHING TO GO WITH THAT DECISION. But they dont. THEN, as this season progressed, they make (reportedly) couple half assed moves at the trade deadline but to no avail. Whats it going to be? Anywaqy, everyone knows 12 is a giant d-bag, and that management is waffling. It's like the organization is rudderless. Maybe 5 people in a room throwing darts at a board trying to decide what to do. Get a real owner... LOL

its a thought i've had over the years too

right now we pretty much have a guy who was appointed "owner" for life.

who is there to fire him if he fucks up? not a single person. he gets all the joys and all the say of a real owner, without actually having to spend a cent of his money, in fact i'm sure he gets paid a pretty penny to play owner.

now he is doing some good things by putting the team in good shape financially with the whole packerland thing, or whatever its called. but from what i've heard, he's completely fucking over local businesses to do it

and who is there to hold him accountable? no one.

if this team turns into the team from the 70's and 80s then no amount of outside development is gonna save it

[King Friday]

The accountability question is one that needs to become entrenched in those that cover the Packers in the media. The team has had a wild card in their poker hands for 3+ decades due to having HOF caliber QBs. Things changed quickly in the 1970s when the Bart Starr era ended. It would seem we are rapidly moving toward that again, and is Mark Murphy giving any thought to that…or is his sole focus on bottom line profitability? He needs to be pressed on the specifics of what he is doing to ensure football remains the focus, not business.

[Bretsky]

This will be my last Packer post this season unless or until the Packers win three straight. This season has completely turned to shit, and prospects of it turning around are pretty grim.

The offensive line is downright pathetic, but it's been near that bad for most of the Favre and Rodgers eras, and the Packers have won big time anyway. Our defense is talented but horribly handled in a lot of ways. Barry needs to go. I've always praised LaFleur, but his game planning and decision making this season seems questionable at best. I've always thought and said that LaFleur's best quality was that he subordinated his ego and went with Aaron Rodgers as the primary reason for his and the Packers success. Well, this year, has fallen short, and LaFleur has been exposed. As for Rodgers' rotten season which just got geometrically worse today, my theory is that Rodgers thrived despite the lame-assed O Line, but this year either he is not the QB he used to be, or the lack of decent receivers AND the O Line mess are just too much to compensate for.

Next year and beyond, either we will have Rodgers or we won't. If he is still in Green Bay for 1, 2, 3, or more years, I remain confident that just a little bit of fine tuning will get the Packers offense back on top - hopefully with Barry gone and a much improved D, but probably even without improved D. If Rodgers is gone next season - or probably whenever he is gone, I fully expect the team to be a complete disaster - much like today's game and worse than the way the season has gone before today.

It ain't much consolation, but it's been a pretty shitty year for a lot of other predicted to good teams too.

At least we've got the Bucks, and hopefully the Badger football season is back on track as well as hopefully a great year for Badger basketball, not too mention that unmentionable topic I will continue to post about in FYI.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE !!!!!! The ultra homer is not allowed to walk the plank. And if you need 3 straight GB wins we may not see you for several years

PLUS, I need you to stick around for the BUCKS, and BADGERS

Say it with me Tex, you'll feel better..........JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY .........

[texaspackerbacker]

I didn't say no Badger, Buck, Brewer posting, just no Packer posting. The negativists are in all their sick glory now. I'll just let whine on like they are so good at. The only way it's several years is if they get their way and Rodgers is gone.

[Bretsky]

I didn't say no Badger, Buck, Brewer posting, just no Packer posting. The negativists are in all their sick glory now. I'll just let whine on like they are so good at. The only way it's several years is if they get their way and Rodgers is gone.

ya; I am so disappointed I'm numb when I watch Green Bay. I'm unable to feel emotion either way. So many things baffle me.

In the end, Tex, and you are going to hate to hear this. The Rodgers era is coming to an end.

We'd be wise to get our next franchise QB in next years draft. I think there are 2 to 3 great ones on their way to the NFL

[bobblehead]

ya; I am so disappointed I'm numb when I watch Green Bay. I'm unable to feel emotion either way. So many things baffle me.

In the end, Tex, and you are going to hate to hear this. The Rodgers era is coming to an end.

We'd be wise to get our next franchise QB in next years draft. I think there are 2 to 3 great ones on their way to the NFL

Ted drafted brohm while we had rodgers. No one says you can't have a backup plan..... Well no one except Aaron Rodgers