Off-season 2023 Banjo

[RashanGary]

In a few hours the 16M in dead cap space for the void contracts hits. Even if we clear up 16 million with restructures, it’ll still just bring us back to breaking even. This is where you get to the point in the road where you already kicked the can.

[bobblehead]

In a few hours the 16M in dead cap space for the void contracts hits. Even if we clear up 16 million with restructures, it’ll still just bring us back to breaking even. This is where you get to the point in the road where you already kicked the can.

And this, along with trading away draft picks to move up constantly is what I hammer Gutes for.

[texaspackerbacker]

I still say Myers is the best player in the current O Line, and he is about as good as Linsley was when he demanded too much money and was let go, and the proof of that is the excellent inside running game the Packers have had the past couple of years.

[call_me_ishmael]

What team without a rookie contract QB isn’t in cap hell right now?

[Bretsky]

I still say Myers is the best player in the current O Line, and he is about as good as Linsley was when he demanded too much money and was let go, and the proof of that is the excellent inside running game the Packers have had the past couple of years.

TEX refer to Susan Powers catch phrase with all of this . He's fine. But he's just fine. But hes not our our best OL; and hes not nearly as good as Linsley

[texaspackerbacker]

Way better for the money than Linsley demanded - and got - from the Chargers or whoever. And other than Jenkins before his knee injury, nobody in the O Line has played better, and that includes the sacred cow.

[Fritz]

What team without a rookie contract QB isn’t in cap hell right now?

The Detroit Lions.

[call_me_ishmael]

The Detroit Lions.

Fair but give it a few It's funny - I think everyone thought Goff was overpaid but with how QB contracts have gone he is now a deal

[texaspackerbacker]

I would say that for all practical purposes, the concept of "cap hell" doesn't exist. However, for those who do believe in that sort of thing, which would you rather have, a chronic loser team (think the Lions) that is in good shape cap-wise, OR a team that has a record like the Packers have had for 3+ decades with Favre and Rodgers?

[Fritz]

The problem with your either/or is that it's not quite the truth. The Packers were in good shape cap-wise for years, even with Rodgers, when Ted was at the helm. He may have been even a bit too careful. But he did manage the cap very well. Gutes had that advantage when he took over, and he's used that all up and then some.

And yes, the Packers are in a cap hell. Wait to hear people start yelling when the Packers don't sign anyone in free agency because they can't afford to, or when a good player walks because the team couldn't afford the next contract.

[run pMc]

What team without a rookie contract QB isn’t in cap hell right now?

Define cap hell.

Broncos, Colts, Lions, Cardinals, Ravens, Seahawks, not sure about Falcons or Commanders. Those are some of the teams below the cap to start 2023.
Even if you're a team above the cap by ~$5M you can probably gain that space by cutting an underperforming player or restructuring/extending a player's contract without too much pain. It's when you've done that with all your possible contracts and you are still right against the cap now and likely over again in the next year that you run into problems.

TT was pretty good about keeping the team in good shape with the cap. I have to wonder if this is Murphy pushing to keep the team together more than Gute or MLF.

[run pMc]

I still say Myers is the best player in the current O Line, and he is about as good as Linsley was when he demanded too much money and was let go, and the proof of that is the excellent inside running game the Packers have had the past couple of years.

And I will say you are wrong. Josh Myers was NOT the best player on the OL last year. You can say PFF grades suck, but Bakhtiari graded out at 79.8, Jenkins at 72.3, Njiman at 63.1, Runyan at 62.6, Myers at 60.4. It sounds like PFF graded out the OL the exact opposite from you. He ranked at 26th out of 36 Centers who started at least 4 games.

Oh, and Corey Linsley? Linsley graded out at a 74.

The eyeball test also showed Myers was inconsistent -- some good along with some bad. For a big guy he struggled with power and got worked over pretty good (if not embarrassed) by NTs at times. They ask him to do a lot and he's a good athlete, but he struggled, and I think they will bring in competition. Rodgers was saying Linsley was a Pro Bowl C in his rookie year; he cusses out Myers. If Myers doesn't get it together this year it might look like a bad pick considering Creed Humphrey was there.

Consider Zach Tom got a 68.4 grade, Royce Newman a 57.5 and you'll get a better idea of where Myers is.

[bobblehead]

Define cap hell.

Broncos, Colts, Lions, Cardinals, Ravens, Seahawks, not sure about Falcons or Commanders. Those are some of the teams below the cap to start 2023.
Even if you're a team above the cap by ~$5M you can probably gain that space by cutting an underperforming player or restructuring/extending a player's contract without too much pain. It's when you've done that with all your possible contracts and you are still right against the cap now and likely over again in the next year that you run into problems.

TT was pretty good about keeping the team in good shape with the cap. I have to wonder if this is Murphy pushing to keep the team together more than Gute or MLF.

He should have been more specific. Name a team without a rookie contract QB that doesn't suck and isn't in cap hell. And just for reference the Ravens QB WAS on a rookie deal and currently counts for ZERO against the cap.

[call_me_ishmael]

Define cap hell.

Broncos, Colts, Lions, Cardinals, Ravens, Seahawks, not sure about Falcons or Commanders. Those are some of the teams below the cap to start 2023.
Even if you're a team above the cap by ~$5M you can probably gain that space by cutting an underperforming player or restructuring/extending a player's contract without too much pain. It's when you've done that with all your possible contracts and you are still right against the cap now and likely over again in the next year that you run into problems.

TT was pretty good about keeping the team in good shape with the cap. I have to wonder if this is Murphy pushing to keep the team together more than Gute or MLF.

I think it’s as simple as then wanting to keep the window open as long as possible after 2 straight NFCC appearances and coming off the first MVP year. I don’t think there is any long term risk. Whenever they cut over to the next QB they will pay the piper for a year and suck and then get some high picks and money to get right back to where they belong if the QB is capable.

The year the team stunk when cutting over the Rodgers gave them the studs the helped them win the SB two years later. I love that plan personally.

[run pMc]

And just for reference the Ravens QB WAS on a rookie deal and currently counts for ZERO against the cap.

Ah, for some reason I thought he was on the franchise one-year deal and they were threatening to do it again. I'm a year early.