What do you want FB to do with AROD in 2023---AND some thoughts

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't see the Raiders as realistic because I don't think they're a good enough team. The trade would be for picks not pieces so maybe I guess.

Is it possible if Rod is traded its for one year before he Favre's his way to SF?

[run pMc]

I will go on record and say that the roster and coaching staff, as it is on this day (or week 18 if you prefer), will not go 14-3 next season.

They would need a lot to go right and that's asking for a miracle IMO.

I have them at 11 wins at best. Maybe that gets them a NFCN title but a lot of people think DET is the team to beat in the North next year.
No idea if they get to 11 wins, if they make any noise in the playoffs, etc., but I think Rodgers comes back for one more year with modestly improved numbers, and then he retires leaving a giant cap mess after that.

Don't see a SB in the near future, and it's also hard to see a deep playoff run right now but you never know. They've "run it back" for at least 2 years with mixed results and if they try it again I think it will be for the last time.

[texaspackerbacker]

You don't think a healthy Rodgers boucing back to pre-injured thumb/2021 level of effectiveness along with another year of experience and good health for the rookie WRs and maybe Tonyan another year removed from his knee injury would be enough, even if Barry is not replaced? About the only minus would be no Adams. It seems strongly likely the young guys could compensate for that.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers contract promotes a trade. He’s gone.

[Joemailman]

[run pMc]

You don't think a healthy Rodgers boucing back to pre-injured thumb/2021 level of effectiveness along with another year of experience and good health for the rookie WRs and maybe Tonyan another year removed from his knee injury would be enough, even if Barry is not replaced? About the only minus would be no Adams. It seems strongly likely the young guys could compensate for that.

No I don't.

I don't think he bounces back to 2021 level of effectiveness -- that assumes MVP level. I don't think he has that left in him; Adams bailed him out on some of his throws and he doesn't have him anymore. Watson and Doubs aren't that player yet, and at least one of them is due for a sophomore slump. It's about 80% they lose Lazard; he wanted a contract extension last year and didn't get it, the way he was talking after the DET game it sounds like he's gone. It's a crap WR market so he'll get interest and price himself out of GB. Cobb is crafty but scares NO ONE. They will have to bring in more WRs, either via draft (i.e., rookies making minimal contributions) or bargain bin FA (Sammy Watkins types). Rodgers' contract forces this. ("God-forbid thought experiment": what does this offense look like if Watson and Doubs miss time simultaneously?)

I love Tonyan, but he's entering his age 29 season and he's not going to get faster after an ACL and likely will never approximate his 11TD season... I think you're looking at maybe 500 yards and 5 TDs from him if he's healthy. The guy never breaks a tackle, and he won't outrun anyone. All you can really say about him is he's the best TE they had on the roster last year, which is like being the smartest kid on the shortbus.

Maybe AJ Dillon bounces back, but not if they keep handing off to him out of shotgun. Aaron Jones has to be restructured to keep; if they don't they lose their engine, and he's developed a concerning habit for ill-timed fumbles.

Their scoring and RZ effectiveness have declined for two straight seasons (31.8 pts/g to 26.5 to 21.8). That's a big problem.

They have a mess at safety and their run defense is a mess. Their best pass rusher is coming off an ACL and won't be back before early October.

Maybe they fix things. Maybe Rodgers improves his footwork and decides to both go thru his progressions and run a MLF offense using motion and snaps from under center. Maybe the rookies take Year 2 leaps. It's a lot of maybes and you have to have a LOT go right. This year they had a lot of those things go wrong, perhaps they're due for regression to some kind of mean there. I'm not convinced it would add up to 14 wins, especially in a division where DET is rapidly improving (thank to the LAR) and CHI could surprise if they go against type and make good decisions with all that cap space.

I appreciate your optimism, but I don't share it to the extent you do. I do think they have talent and 'could' win enough games to get a playoff spot but will they? They have to play better and be coached better. They have a number of problems, more than a healthy thumb and Year 2 Watson can fix.

[texaspackerbacker]

You make a fairly good case for another substandard season, but most of it is based on the idea of Rodgers not playing as good at 39 as uh, maybe Brady played at 39 - which was pretty damn good. Aaron Jones obviously they keep. I put it more like 40-50% they keep Lazard - mainly because I tend to doubt he's gonna get super money thrown at him elsewhere, and for close to the same, he's likely to stay a Packer - assuming Rodgers is still a Packer.

You're probably right about the D being a potential mess, although I doubt itis as bad as last year with all the injuries plus rookie blunders by Walker which should improve.

Plus there's hope of some help in the draft - Safety, maybe Edge, maybe TE, although I'm not nearly as negative about Tonyan as you.

I said 14 wins, you said 11. Even splitting the difference would be a major improvement, but I'll stick with 14. One factor nobody has talked about is that the whole league seems to have more parity, actually down a little bit across the board IMO.

[bobblehead]

I scrolled through briefly for a couple posts but couldn't find them. You know who you are. The few people who suggested that the ONLY reason we lost DAdams was because he was fleeing from that awful human being, Aaron Rodgers. That narrative has fallen completely on its face now.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/02/davante-adams-lobbying-raiders-to-trade-for-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers/

[Tony Oday]

I scrolled through briefly for a couple posts but couldn't find them. You know who you are. The few people who suggested that the ONLY reason we lost DAdams was because he was fleeing from that awful human being, Aaron Rodgers. That narrative has fallen completely on its face now.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...aaron-rodgers/

Correct. The Packers need to do what they an to keep AR.

[Joemailman]

Correct. The Packers need to do what they an to keep AR.

Which is what? He's under contract. He's said he wants to finish his career in Green Bay. Do they have to let him keep all his friends here?

[Joemailman]

Rodgers says he's not going to San Fran. Didn't say anything about Santa Clara. https://twitter.com/i/status/1621248918196453383

[Joemailman]

[run pMc]

Adams left because he wanted to be closer to home, family, etc. and he grew up a Raiders fan. Plus, his college buddy was the QB.
That's it. Well, that and he probably was tired of the contract runaround he felt he was getting from Gute and Ball before they finally made him a big offer. It never really had anything to do with Rodgers, aside from he didn't want to wait around to see what 12 was going to do and didn't want to be locked into a contract playing with Love or worse at QB.

If Carr is out (he is) then of course he's going to lobby for a better than Stidham (sp?) QB, both to win more games as well as keep his stats boosted for HOF consideration.

I highly doubt a trade will happen...like 10% chance to the Raiders. I'd put the Jets at 15-20%. Everyone else is like 1%. I expect 12 to play for GB next year.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I will go on record and say that the roster and coaching staff, as it is on this day (or week 18 if you prefer), will not go 14-3 next season.

They would need a lot to go right and that's asking for a miracle IMO.

I have them at 11 wins at best. Maybe that gets them a NFCN title but a lot of people think DET is the team to beat in the North next year.
No idea if they get to 11 wins, if they make any noise in the playoffs, etc., but I think Rodgers comes back for one more year with modestly improved numbers, and then he retires leaving a giant cap mess after that.

Don't see a SB in the near future, and it's also hard to see a deep playoff run right now but you never know. They've "run it back" for at least 2 years with mixed results and if they try it again I think it will be for the last time.

Yeah, I had better odds of mating with Jennifer Lawerence than the 2022 Packers had of winning the Super Bowl. Stokes and Gary Lightbody (What If This Is All the Love You Ever Get, great song, especially since it annoys Harrell) were KIA. Butte had less chemistry with the rookie WRs than Tony O’Day has with Black people.

But look at the Balding Eagles. Their head coach is one arrogant Italian. Their fans are full of racist Italians. They missed the playoffs last season. Yet, they traded for AJ Brown, the rock catcher the German Shepherd shoulda drafted along with DK Metcalf (instead of Savage and Fucking Center), and here they are, in the fucking Super Bowl.

If Butte returns, if Doubs continues to progress, if Watson sheds his metrosexual, injury-prone label, if the D stays healthy, an argument could be made depicting the Packers as being one player away from the Super Bowl - a J-Mike TE.

[bobblehead]

Correct. The Packers need to do what they an to keep AR.

That is not even close to what I said.