What is the Main Reason GB has not won a Super Bowl in the past 12 years ?

[run pMc]

Sure, Watson is better. What about the rest of the draft picks? I broke it down the other day. Gooter is largely sucking at drafting aside from R1. He needs to do better. Let's frame the discussion like this? What teams have worse GMs than Gooter? Shoot, if we're being honest, I think he's in the bottom half certainly.

Look at the drafts for Chicago and Minnesota. Detroit has had plenty of whiffs too. Disagree that Gute is "bottom half certainly".

Remember that this team recently had the #1 seed in the playoffs and still lost. I don't think the GM is the biggest problem.

[run pMc]

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm kinda hazy on any of that - water over the dam IMO. Hell yeah, I'd take 17 wonderful satisfying wins and just one shitty loss over 9 satisfying wins plus maybe several in the playoffs but 8 miserable losses. And yeah, 15-1 was great. Fuck the damn ring.

Wow.

GB has the Titletown nickname for a reason. Wolf's "fart in the wind" quote lives on for a reason too.
I'd take a 'riding a tidal wave of momentum' to a SB win season over a 15-2 first game upset/flop anyday. Imagine Rodgers gets hurt in Game 1, Love comes in and keeps them in the hunt at 4-6 and Rodgers comes back to get them to 10-7 and they cruise thru the playoffs to be NFL Champs. You're telling me you wouldn't take that? Mind boggling.

Racking up wins with no playoff success has been maddening and is basically what we've seen for 13 years. I guess you have nothing to complain about then.

[SudsMcBucky]

It's all 'bout the Ships!!! I'll take a 10-7 or 9-8 regular with an Owl over 15-1 and no ship EVERY SINGLE TIME.

[texaspackerbacker]

I never said I wouldn't be pleased to go all the way - to the SB and win it. I just said I'd be MORE pleased to have 17-0 or close to it in the regular season. One bad day in the playoffs or SB to me is no worse than any other bad day i.e. a loss during the season.

I can see how "racking up wins with no playoff success has been maddening" to some people. I suppose on some level it is to me too, but I'm more of a "glass is half full" kind of guy - I prefer the long pleasant journey - even if it goes off the cliff at the end hahahahaha.

Not to channel APB or aanything, but that's life. I prefer being a little bit lazy and comfortable and never getting rich to working my ass off most of my life to get rich. I can see and even respect others having the opposite attitude, but it's not that way for me.

[call_me_ishmael]

Look at the drafts for Chicago and Minnesota. Detroit has had plenty of whiffs too. Disagree that Gute is "bottom half certainly".

Remember that this team recently had the #1 seed in the playoffs and still lost. I don't think the GM is the biggest problem.

Yeah, it's fair. When you actually go through the list of GMs, I agree he probably isn't the bottom half.

I think these peeps are better:

Bill Belichick - Better than Gooter (championships)
Eric Decosta - Ravens are a consistently equally good org despite never having a QB
Howie Roseman - Eagles are consistently one of the best teams in the league over many, many years now.
Les Snead - Took over a team without a QB and made them consistently successful. He is willing to mortgage the future to win and is aggressive about it.
Brandon Beane - Put together a great team in Buffalo and has drafted very well
Brett Veach - 6 straight AFC championship games, has taken the old Packers dude roster and has continued to maintain/improve it
Chris Ballard - Put together a great team around Andy Luck set up for years of success and then had the QB leave in the middle of it. Tough to recover from but I 100% believe this dude can really draft
Jon Robinson - Put together a deep TEN team despite a subpar QB
Jerry Jones - No QB but that team has way more talent than the Packers and drafts much better
John Lynch - Best roster in football by far despite no QB

In the same class at Gooter:
John Schneider - I don't know how I feel about this to be honest. Maybe it's a push? John got his team there twice and did a super quick rebuild.
Joe Douglas - Jets looking formidable for years to come now

I guess that's probably it. I think Gooter is like ~10-14 in that range I guess.

My view of Gooter is this:
1. Great at first round of draft
2. Ass at other rounds
3. Great with FA signing (How rare is it that 4 premium FA signings last 3 years with the team and 2 last 4+ years, very very rare)
4. Probably too quick to play his guys, paying Campbell was a mistake IMO

[texaspackerbacker]

"No QB" in Dallas? I guess you don't like Dak. In his first couple years, he was almost like Rodgers for being careful not to throw picks. Then he degenerated - my suspicion on that is Kellen Moore told him - stupidly - to take more risks. Without Moore, maybe he will get back to damn good - maybe that's McCarthy's thinking too in letting Moore go.

I suspect LUCK has more to do with who is good and who is not as GMs.

[run pMc]

Not disagreeing, but I have some comments:

I think Belichick is a fantastic coach but a below average GM. (Look at his drafts)
Jon Robinson got fired mid season.
A lot of people don't think much of Chris Ballard, Indy is kind of a mess
Ravens most definitely have a QB, assuming they pay him. Their FO has been very good for decades IMO and are probably Top 5.
Snead went for it and won, but the Rams are going to be a dumpster fire for years between cap space and no draft picks. Worth it for the ring if it's a not deep hole to dig out from. I'm not convinced the stars-and-scrubs formula works if your stars are well into the aging-stage.

Agree that Dak is at least an average to above average QB. I don't think he's elite or can carry a team but he's good enough to win with. Jerrah used to be bad, he's gotten better. Sucking enough to get players like Ceedee Lamb and Micah Parsons helps.

Gute has had some draft missteps -- as any who are a GM for years will -- but consider he's done pretty well in FA (Smiths, Amos, Turner) and picking guys off other teams -- DeVondre, Rasul, Jarren Reed was ok, Rudy Ford, etc.
There are definitely better GM than Gute, but I think he's upper half, not bottom half.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't think Dak is very good, no. I think Jerry will look to move on when there is a good QB available. I would be shocked if he didn't put in a call to Brady and probably a few to the Black Birds in Maryland.

I go back and forth on Rodgers. The Packers didn't move on from Favre for just another guy, they moved on for a guy they were damn sure was going to be very, very good. Would they have done it if Rodgers was just another middle-of-the-road guy? I honestly don't think they would have. Would the Niners gone to Steve Young if his last name was Burleigh? Shoot I don't think they would have done that either. Would the Colts have moved on from Peyton if they didn't get the best prospect at the position since Peyton? I don't think they would have and I think that was a very difficult choice for them to make even so.

I also think an interesting case study is the Saints. They had a back-up that had some pretty good success as a starter in Theodore Bridgewater. They had him as the back-up for multiple years. Did they move on from Brees for him? They did not, because he was not a stud despite being a young guy with a somewhat good track record.

I guess what I am ultimately saying is to me it seems more like the deciding factor in if a team moves on from a great player is the potential and quality of the next guy more so than the age or annoyingness or the current guy. That's a long winded way of saying that unless the Packers think Jordan Love is going to be really good or great, and not just pretty good or middle of the road, I don't think they will move on.

Maybe Gooter really was speaking the truth when he stated that Rodgers (which I assume encapsulates the entire package of Rodgers, the money he is due, the craziness, etc) gives them a better chance to win than Love (and his entire package heyyoo I heard it when I said it)

We shall see what happens, but right now I am currently leaning towards Rodgers returning.

[Tony Oday]

Run Defense

[SudsMcBucky]

I don't think Dak is very good, no. I think Jerry will look to move on when there is a good QB available. I would be shocked if he didn't put in a call to Brady and probably a few to the Black Birds in Maryland.
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No, Jerry is NOT moving from Dak this offseason, even IF a good QB is available. If he cut or traded Dak, they would take an $89 million dead cap hit. If they wait til next year, it's much more manageable, although not ideal, at almost $40 million.

[Joemailman]

Run Defense

Some games. But in the games that eliminated the Packers the last 3 years, the run defense has either been very good (2020) or decent (2021, 2022). The failures of the Packers passing offense, especially in the 4th quarter, has been a bigger problem.

[MadtownPacker]

Gaslighting, fuken poll by a bathwater sipping cretin. Where is the D. ALL OF THE ABOVE option?

[mgordo]

Brandon Fucking Bostick

[bobblehead]

I agree but I don't think Gooter is even close to 2-3 contributors per 7 picks. It is closer to 1 to 1.5.

If thats what you think you should back it up by breaking down the drafts. You should explain how having 2 starters from each of his drafts while winning 13 games 3 years in a row equates 1-1.5 contributors.

[bobblehead]

Brandon Fucking Bostick

New guy with a great post. I put that on M3 as well though.